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Re: Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool?

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It's an age thing - the dreams you had when you were younger didn't turn into reality - dreams usually don't. Or at least, not as you expect it. Tech is still really cool, compared to decades ago. But we have so much of it and it is everywhere, that we re-calibrate and think that all this amazing, cool tech is boring. You can get a 3D printer for a few hundred bucks, build it yourself, build a better 3d printer, get…

There's also the fact that much modern tech tends to be very locked-down, discourages tinkering/creativity, and is built to push ads/subscriptions/in-app-purchases. But there's rarely a 'wow' factor to new tech any more. Everything is incremental improvement and the era of huge leaps forward is well behind us. The step up from a C64 to an Amiga, or a SNES to a Playstation, or an early iPhone from a feature phone, or…

> There's also the fact that much modern tech tends to be very locked-down, discourages tinkering/creativity

But that also creates an inherent opportunity for open, 'hackable' versions of the broken, locked down crap. You can see this in much of the embedded ecosystem, where much stuff is unusably locked down simply out of short-term laziness and convenience but many of the most popular products are open.

Re: Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool?

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It's an age thing - the dreams you had when you were younger didn't turn into reality - dreams usually don't. Or at least, not as you expect it. Tech is still really cool, compared to decades ago. But we have so much of it and it is everywhere, that we re-calibrate and think that all this amazing, cool tech is boring. You can get a 3D printer for a few hundred bucks, build it yourself, build a better 3d printer, get…

> Tech is still really cool, compared to decades ago

I think a huge factor I haven't seen mentioned is continuous delivery. How often were new operating systems released? How often were new products announced? When you bought software, the devs would be hard at work working on the next version with the incentive to make it good enough that people would buy again.

Now software is continually released. "Major" updates are expected every year, and they're often free and people are expected to upgrade. Subscription models have rolled out, so while directly interacting with your customer probably leads to a better product, there's less incentive to re-invent the wheel - you don't need to upsell all your previous clients.

I would assume that all of this is leading to better products, but all of the baby steps make it all seem so lacklustre.

For example, compare the iPhone 13 Pro's camera to, say, the iPhone 8's camera. Had Apple waited 5 years to release the upgrade, the new camera would have blown. peoples. freaking. minds. However, since it's been getting slightly better each year, we instead have people complaining about how the only difference is a slightly better camera.

Re: Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool?

#143
I agree with other people here that it's likely an age thing. You're maturing and you're seeing what was always the case. The feeling you're having, I started to get in my 30s, in the 2000s. Working at Google through my 40s only cemented it, there's only so excited you can be about moving protobufs from one place to another and then you realize the "innovation" in the tech there comes from the perfection of the execution of very boring routine tasks at extremely large scale.

The "tech" that people get enamored with are sets of tools. What you do with them is the most important thing. They have no intrinsic transcendent value in themselves. There's a part of our brain that is "tickled" by solving problems. But that stimulation only takes you so far.

Insofar as "tech" has changed the world it's really that capitalism has transformed the world in its image, and part of what we call "tech" is the ideological framework that has helped make that happen. Everything from bar code scanners in supermarket checkouts in the early 70s, to the earliest CPUs in the F-14 fly-by-wire flight system (same era), to Uber drivers using an app to manage their gigs -- the development of microprocessor technology was driven by the need for market efficiencies, not the other way around.

Re: Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool?

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Tech reached a pinnacle of excitement for me when I was surrounded by others making progress on things I cared about. Of course, this was during college (and online in the years leading up to it). Now, I simply don't know as many people who still care about the things I do. Those I do know are distant, as am I.

We're out of sync. We're unaligned. We've lost that magic feeling because we aren't consistent.

This lack of consistency seeps into our work and the whole industry loses confidence. Just look at the sad state of software reliability and performance, despite the numerous advancements in hardware.

That's not to say we haven't made progress with technology too. I just don't care about a lot of it. Procedural art is a neat bar trick, but ultimately doesn't strike me as a viewer unless it's explained crisply. Cryptocurrency is a scam at best, or a force for destabilization at worst. Digital currency has been a thing for years, but has gotten slower and more cumbersome in my personal experience recently. Social media is a well accepted problem. Video games seem to be in a rut, as with Hollywood (maybe I'm living under a rock as per usual?). My love for computing hardware has waned; my phones torment me, my USB ports and dongles are duds or act sporadically. Wireless tech is wrought with interference and power issues. Must I continue?

These probably sound like the rummagings of an aging man, grown discontent with the kids these days. To some extent that's also probably correct. But, I think it's worth noting that I do find a lot of excitement in this world still... Just with lower tech hobbies. Ice skating, woodworking, ultimate frisbee, music, and more still dominate my thoughts. As does the horrifying world of trying to date post-college. Maybe, just maybe, it was the hyper-focused tech driven world of the past that was the problem. Maybe, it's this new post-covid era we're entering which will show us that there's more to life than disruption and the "next big thing" every week. I can dream can't I?

It's time to settle in, buckle up, and refine what we know we want, what we have, and what we ultimately need in life.

Re: Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool?

#145
It didn't, it's cooler than ever.

You think it's not because of some combination of you getting older, accepting the cultural zeitgeist (currently very negative in general and anti-tech in particular), not paying attention to things, not learning new things, etc.

It's extremely hard to look at recent advances in space, neural networks and robots with fresh eyes and not be dumbstruck by their awesomeness.

Re: Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool?

#146

For me it was realizing that the "cost savings" my employers were providing their customers came solely from the staffing costs they were able to eliminate by laying off their workers and extracting more productivity from their remaining workers with our technology. My fat salary comes at the cost of several others'.

What is the alternative?

Re: Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that it's partly an age thing, but I also agree that the times have been more exciting in the past technology-wise. I grew up as a eighties tech geek kid. I learned BASIC on a SHARP programmable calculator ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharp_PC-1403 ), then moved on to an Atari 800, then to an Amiga, and finally to a PC. Each of these machines was orders of magnitude more capable than the previous one - you…

> technological progress is still going on, but it's more "your smartphone can now do what your desktop PC did 20 years ago, or your laptop did 10 years ago" In terms of tech that would excite a geeky kid, I think it's more like "you can now buy a $1 microcontroller that's as powerful as desktop PC from 30 years ago". Which is pretty exciting as it means you can throw computing power at all sorts of real world automa…

What microcontroller are you thinking of?

Re: Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool?

#148
It seems like you're describing fun vs business. Tech stopped being cool when it became your job, when you fully understood that Star Tek truly was science fiction and not a distant possibility.

You can still mod videogames, but I get not wanting to look at a computer after your 9-5 of looking at a computer all day.

Re: Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool?

#149

Oh, this is a question I actually have asked myself before! The definitive answer is July 10, 2008; App Store opens, and ushers in this new age of garbage software.

Absolutely. A lot changed with the advent of mobile devices, almost none of it for the better. Don't care if it's not in vogue to say it, lowering the barrier of entry to the Internet was a mistake. It was better when it was gatekept and companies weren't seeking to extract every possible dollar out of it.

Re: Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool?

#150
I agree with others that have said that it's a change in you, not in the world.

I'm watching my younger brother get into software right now for the first time, and it's delightful. Every day there's something new that he's thrilled about.

What's funny is that he's having a blast playing with the same types of tech that I make a living using and get bored by. A few weeks ago it was getting his hobby website up on the real internet with his own VPS and his own domain. Last week he was ecstatic when he got MongoDB hooked up properly to back the project so he could save things. This week it was getting nginx configured to properly work with Vue router so that refresh works. These tools seem outright boring to me today, but his excitement is infectious.

It's easy for us to say that tech today is boring, or the barrier to entry is too high, because we're now experts. My brother's excitement in the mundane makes me reevaluate my own nostalgia and cynicism.

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