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Ask HN: How to move away from Google

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Re: Ask HN: How to move away from Google

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post #7

This has already been discussed extensively on HN in the past. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

but the dark pattern methodology for extricating oneself from google also changes so there's nothing wrong with refreshing the topic

Re: Ask HN: How to move away from Google

#142
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know you said based in the EU and Fastmail are based in Australia I think, but they are great. Integrates easily with email, calendar, and contacts clients using imap/caldav/carddav. What makes you consider google to be privacy conscious? Aren't they just scanning your emails 24/7 to profile you for advertising?

I'd recommend against Australian based - There are laws that state companies must be able to decrypt encrypted user data if required, and for a backdoor to be in place if they require access. A "Data Disruption Warrant" allows them to add, copy, delete or modify your data. "Account Takeover Warrant" will remove your access to an account but still allow them full access

If I was going to send truly sensitive information I wouldn't use email anyway, or I would but with gpg encryption, so I'm not too worried about the fact that fastmail might allow some government agency access. What fastmail will offer is privacy from 3rd parties such as advertisers and data brokers.

Re: Ask HN: How to move away from Google

#143

Not sure if you like Microsoft any better but after over a decade of Gmail I’ve moved back to outlook and prefer it. It’s a lot better than it used to be. One Drive is much better than GDrive, and MS’s office programs have always been significantly better IMO. I find the whole Microsoft suite to be affordable and enjoyable to use. Obviously iPhone is an (or the) alternative to Android. I still don’t find much better…

I'm thinking about leaving Google land because I think their incentives are heavily misaligned with mine as a consumer.

Although Microsoft and Apple win points for not having ads their a primary profit mechanism, they unfortunately use the same strategy as Google: creating walled ecosystems that are very hard to leave. MS in particular has shown how aggressively anti-consumer they will be in the right conditions.

Re: Ask HN: How to move away from Google

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post #8

Fastmail for email. I used to use syncthing to maintain backups and syncing, but eventually just gave into iCloud as a compromise. Setting up and maintaining syncthing on wife and kids devices became a pain. DuckDuckGo for search. Dropping down to google when I’m stuck. Honestly I’ve found google worse for technical topics due to all the junk websites that recycle content. You’ll be fighting against the current tryin…

DDG is starting to have some real competition. Kagi is quite good if you can score an invite (still closed beta), and it has DDG-compatible !bang syntax so transitioning is effortless.

Re: Ask HN: How to move away from Google

#145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fastmail is much cheaper if you need many gigs of storage, but you don't get the encryption Proton offers.

Fastmail doesn’t allow custom domains on it’s first tier paid plan, does it? $50 per year - custom domain, 30GB $30 per year - no custom domain, no IMAP, 2GB (yes, 2GB!) That’s some pricing! The last thing you want is use an email that’s paid and not on your domain! Fastmail’s Basic paid plan is absurd not only price/feature wise, it’s useless just for not letting custom domain use. I would rather stick to alternativ…

$30 / 12 = $2.5

I had the same idea when I first learned of them (and price was even lower) but after doing the same math it occured to me what:

a) they DO have clients who are happy to use their domains (and they have a lot of them)

b) ~$4/m is absurdingly cheap for the service they provide.

c) it is the casual "we prefer what you pay us $N, but if you insist there is a cheaper alternative (with some restrictions) for $M"

And finally, I checked my plan and I'm still on Business Lite, $20/y ($1.66/m) and 750MB of storage. Sure, each couple of years I go in and cull the old irrelevant messages, but even with a bunch of messages from providers up from 2014 I still use only 372MB, 50% of my message box.

Sure, I'm not using it a lot for a correspondence with an actual people, but I'm pretty fine with it, particulary because I like what I don't have 9999+ notifications from social networks about someone's birthdays etc.

Re: Ask HN: How to move away from Google

#146
For personal use I'm happy with ProtonMail and F-Droid. For a calendar I use paper because I like being able to look at the wall and see the month, and to physically write things down. Same goes for note-taking, though that's a hybrid of digital and paper, with a goal of the important-er stuff going into the text files for easier searching (though like with paper books I have a sense where in each notebook certain things are). Good luck!

Re: Ask HN: How to move away from Google

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

ProtonMail has abysmally small storage space if you receive attachments in mail frequently.

Fastmail is much cheaper if you need many gigs of storage, but you don't get the encryption Proton offers.

ProtonMail is just PGP, nothing special about it.

Re: Ask HN: How to move away from Google

#148
post #31

I use gmail as my backup e-mail and Google drive as one of three cloud storage services. I pay for GCP and YouTube ad-free and YouTube Music. Great non-Google services I pay for are ProtonMail, Fastmail, iCloud, and Office-365. I have played around with self-hosting options, but decided to just use Cloud services, but don’t rely on any single vendor.

Curious why both Protonmail and Fastmail? How would you rate the two if one were to use just one of those? Any experience with Zoho, if so would love your thoughts on that too..

I like the idea of ProtonMail but FastMail is more convenient. I also tried Apple e-mail using my custom domain, and it was OK, but FM is a bit better.

Re: Ask HN: How to move away from Google

#149
This will get buried with the other comments, but I've done a good job getting away from Google:

Email: Tutanota Calendar: Tutanota Messaging: Signal Phone: GrapheneOS Maps: OsmAnd~ Apps: F-Droid or Aurora Store Mobile Browser: Vanadium (Chromium-based) Desktop Browser: Brave (Chromium-based) YouTube client: NewPipe

The last three are iffy as far as de-Google-img goes. I used Firefox for years but recently I find it unusable. Every year more websites are broken in Firefox and it never gets better despite bug reports. There also isn't really an alternative to YouTube's content unless the creator you follow also posts on Odysee.

Re: Ask HN: How to move away from Google

#150
post #8

Fastmail for email. I used to use syncthing to maintain backups and syncing, but eventually just gave into iCloud as a compromise. Setting up and maintaining syncthing on wife and kids devices became a pain. DuckDuckGo for search. Dropping down to google when I’m stuck. Honestly I’ve found google worse for technical topics due to all the junk websites that recycle content. You’ll be fighting against the current tryin…

I really want to like ddg but it's just awful - not only are the results completely irrelevant but now it's started showing me russian language results, I'm in a country that uses the Latin alphabet.

Been using DDG for years now, rarely ever have trouble. I mean, sometimes there is a tough query - but the cases where Google is more useful now measure in "less than once a couple of months". Non-English is a bit tougher, I guess - I mostly search in English these days.
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