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Ask HN: Apple revoked developer account for 2.5 years and counting

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Re: Ask HN: Apple revoked developer account for 2.5 years and counting

#141

Your software sounds like malware. If I came across it I would probably make a YARA rule against it to purge it from any managed network I control.

Your managed network sounds like malware. It intercepts, hijacks, records, blocks, etc. -- and all without the need for the user's continuous permission and knowledge.

Re: Ask HN: Apple revoked developer account for 2.5 years and counting

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post #19

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> And yet from my perspective your software is malware. So don't buy/install it. But don't take away that choice from other people. I have a good married friend who uses parental control software on himself to reduce the temptation to look at porn. It basically just gives his wife access to his browsing history. Sure, he could bypass it a number of ways if he was really determined, but it's more about just raising th…

Off topic, I knew marriages could be toxic but this is peak. If you don't trust your partner 100%+ the marriage is already dead IMHO.

My friend doesn't trust himself not to look at porn without a safety rail, so he bought a safety rail and gave his wife the key, so to speak. How does that make his marriage toxic?

Re: Ask HN: Apple revoked developer account for 2.5 years and counting

#143

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> Put on the hat of the end user. Keep in mind the end user is a child, or someone struggling with an online addiction/behavior they want to quit. They welcome the app, but those issues are somewhat personal. This sure as hell reads to me like you’re trying to hide the fact that you’re recording vulnerable user’s screens from them.

You can read into it however you want. It wasn't my intention.

So you did the same thing, without trying?

The “trying” part isn’t the practical problem.

And if that was not your intent, you are not thinking through the obvious implications of your own software design.

Re: Ask HN: Apple revoked developer account for 2.5 years and counting

#144

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What if it said: "Truple holds YOU accountable in a way that's near impossible to bypass by capturing and sharing screenshots."

Then at least what the OP is saying here and what the marketing said would align. But at this time, there is one story of what this app does here (hacker news) and a completely different story from what is being told on the website and marketing. The other apps that they are saying had no issues with approval, follow the story that is being told here. I don't think it changes the problematic nature of the app. But th…

https://web.archive.org/web/20190424203239/https://truple.io... is the landing page when the original version of the app was submitted for notarization. Since you're digging into the ad copy, we might as well be looking at the appropriate website.

It's not two stories... I include customer reviews on my landing page that show spouses, individuals, and parents feedback because all benefit from it.

The Google Play app description is adjusted to be more in alignment with Google Play Developer Agreement policies.

To clarify, keeping Google, Apple, and everyone else happy with the wording in the marketing seems to demand walking a razers edge. I've done my best to comply appropriately for each platform. It's a disservice to the conversation for you to pull in the Google Play listing, make accusations about me/Truple as a result, and not have the full picture. I've shared more in this post than I originally cared to in order to provide the bigger picture. I'm not trying to hide anything here, but there are reasons other than malicious intent for why things are worded the way they are and instead of leaping to those conclusions you could instead ask why.

Re: Ask HN: Apple revoked developer account for 2.5 years and counting

#145
post #94

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> So don't buy/install it. But don't take away that choice from other people. It's not that simple. You are purposefully bringing up an extremely rare use case to detract from the fact that 99% of users of this software are going to be abusive parents who install it on their children's phones without consent. (Or heck, maybe even abusive spouses.) If parents are that concerned, even banning their children from "innoc…

> install it on their children's phones without consent That's a curious phrasing. Are you implying a parent needs consent from their minor child to install something, anything they deem appropriate, on "their" phone?

I'm not the person you were replying to, but yes. That would be an extreme breach of trust and especially with the level of detail that's being collected here, effectively removing all privacy, it's just not ok. This could have disastrous consequences for ex. closeted LGBTQ+ youth with unsupportive parents who could kick them out of the house or worse if they found out.

Re: Ask HN: Apple revoked developer account for 2.5 years and counting

#147

Small claims court?

He doesn't have a small claim, he wants a specific performance, that is he would be suing to have a judge force Apple to contract with his business. For that, with that opponent, you would need a whole legal team.

Re: Ask HN: Apple revoked developer account for 2.5 years and counting

#148
post #24

Hmm, ages ago we added a cannabis related app on Apple/iOS -- and there were loads of other (small-ish) already on there -- to help grow, or find (to buy) or to review cannabis products. Ours was for regualtory compliance -- a legal obligation for cannabis businesses. REJECTED! And after a 6mo appeal/review process -- with moving goal-posts -- we were allowed back in. YAY. And then they started getting into the appli…

Who the fuck has time for this bullshit? I don't miss developing mobile apps.

Re: Ask HN: Apple revoked developer account for 2.5 years and counting

#149
post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So don't buy/install it. But don't take away that choice from other people. It's not that simple. You are purposefully bringing up an extremely rare use case to detract from the fact that 99% of users of this software are going to be abusive parents who install it on their children's phones without consent. (Or heck, maybe even abusive spouses.) If parents are that concerned, even banning their children from "innoc…

> install it on their children's phones without consent That's a curious phrasing. Are you implying a parent needs consent from their minor child to install something, anything they deem appropriate, on "their" phone?

I would feel deeply uncomfortable if a parent (or anyone, really) were able to essentially listen in on every conversation I have. A tool that goes this far with monitoring really needs to be installed with consent from all parties.

Re: Ask HN: Apple revoked developer account for 2.5 years and counting

#150
post #145
post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> install it on their children's phones without consent That's a curious phrasing. Are you implying a parent needs consent from their minor child to install something, anything they deem appropriate, on "their" phone?

I'm not the person you were replying to, but yes. That would be an extreme breach of trust and especially with the level of detail that's being collected here, effectively removing all privacy, it's just not ok. This could have disastrous consequences for ex. closeted LGBTQ+ youth with unsupportive parents who could kick them out of the house or worse if they found out.

Not to mention how socially alienating it would be to have this on your phone- who wants to text the person whose parents listen in to every conversation they have?
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