Zapier is a god-tier tool for all kinds of corporate work, and companies that ban it for "security" reasons are shooting themselves in the foot.
Has been the challenge of Shadow IT since the glass house days.
Ask HN: What do you think about the no-code movement?
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Re: Ask HN: What do you think about the no-code movement?
#142I wrote this on another thread a few months ago:
I think the basic reason why low-code / no-code works is down to software bugs and long-tail maintenance.
Bugs are a function of number of engineers, features, moving parts, and significant lines of code.
No-code takes out engineers, moving parts, and SLoC from the equation (as far as the enterprises buying these solutions are concerned), but leaves a lot to be desired in terms of feature set; low-code brings down number of engineers, and SLoC, whilst providing flexibility in terms of bespoke feature sets.
Also, in essence, No-code and Low-code are a natural extension of the cloud computing model in which capex is traded away for opex. And economies of scale, over time ensures Low-code / No-code will be cheaper yet more reliable than anything one (tech-enabled) enterprise can roll on their own. While at some level it is also an indication of 'software is eating the world' phenomena (both in terms of available capital given software economics, and rise in popularity of CS, in general).
Re: Ask HN: What do you think about the no-code movement?
#143Code is the OG 'No Code'. Or to give the movement its full title 'No Machine Code'.
I wonder if programmers of the day thought that compilers would put them out of a job?
Re: Ask HN: What do you think about the no-code movement?
#144While I certainly saw them coming a mile away, the rise of sites like Squarespace and Wix still unnerves me a little bit. While I do primarily backend data work these days, I spent a lot of the early 2000's working for an agency that built websites for people and companies. Many of which would have been simple enough to throw together in Squarespace. I'd always thought I could fall back into building websites if this…
I feel you.
I freelanced designing and building websites in the '00s before gradually migrating into in-house creative direction and product design. After getting burned out doing that, I've tried to start a little solo web and brand shop again, which sounds fun on paper, but I can't find a market for it. People just want inexpensive Squarespace editors. They look to Fiverr, Upwork, etc.
It reminds me of the Wordpress-only shops that drove me to in-house/product design in the first place, but with even less custom work being done.
It's a loss for web as a creative platform, and has left me unsure of how to proceed professionally.
Re: Ask HN: What do you think about the no-code movement?
#145Maybe ask some of these people: 1 hour before you Ask HN: Do you like the term 'nocode'? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29187754 2 days ago Ask HN: No Code GUI Tools? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29160858 3 months ago Ask HN: Is there any future for low-code/no-code development? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28150056 4 months ago Ask HN: Anyone built a business with no-code tools? https://news.yc…
We have to start doing like those Soccer Mom Facebook groups and put something like: "please use the magnifier glass[0] to search if your question hasn't been asked before"
Edit: I'm getting heavily downvoted. Sorry guys, it was just a joke.
Re: Ask HN: What do you think about the no-code movement?
#146It's interesting, but always calibrate their claims against the fact this is about the tenth time this movement has come around. This movement literally goes back to COBOL. That is not a typo. It's not only likely older than you are, but probably much older than you are. I recognize COBOL may not seem like "no-code", but that's just because "no-code" is a stupid label. "No-code" doesn't mean "no code" just like "serv…
Completely agree, and it makes me wonder if we are at the edge of standardization for many types of applications. The desktop, tablet, and mobile form factors and use cases are well understood. Best practices amongst these major platforms are in place. The cloud is maturing (litmus test for this is the reinvent seems to be less exciting each year). New form factors, like AR/VR, don’t have the market share for broad changes to development practices yet.
Re: Ask HN: What do you think about the no-code movement?
#147This is an imperfect analogy, but consider for a moment the role Microsoft Excel plays. Excel allows non-coders to do many useful things, and provides a relatively gentle on-ramp to actual code via formulas. If you take that on-ramp and keep going, towards VBA and add-ins and other pieces of Microsoft technology, you might wind up becoming a full-time software developer, leaving Excel behind and using “real” tools. N…
It's a perfect analogy. Don't sell yourself short. Look, the following things are true.
1) This industry absolutely has the capability create more tools like Excel that are both extremely empowering and orders of magnitude easier than what we think of as coding.
2) Unfortunately, there's a strong, likely frequently subconscious, incentive to definitely not do this, since it carries a strong danger of IT making itself "obsolete."
(Not judging here, just observing)
Re: Ask HN: What do you think about the no-code movement?
#148I'm fundamentally opposed to outsourcing myself or other engineers either now or in the future either to AI or to no-code tools. I don't like the way this industry treats their employees in general nor am I very fond of the idea of using engineers to create a tool to make them obsolate. No thanks.
Re: Ask HN: What do you think about the no-code movement?
#149I just added a no-code to our product instead of a scripting language. So far, users really like it.
Re: Ask HN: What do you think about the no-code movement?
#150It's interesting, but always calibrate their claims against the fact this is about the tenth time this movement has come around. This movement literally goes back to COBOL. That is not a typo. It's not only likely older than you are, but probably much older than you are. I recognize COBOL may not seem like "no-code", but that's just because "no-code" is a stupid label. "No-code" doesn't mean "no code" just like "serv…
My first job out of university was working with a very large firm that bought into Computer Associates' product suite - including 4GL code generators such as Telon ("green-screen" generators) and Easytrieve (4GL report generators). From what I recall, we spent 90% of our time trying to work around the code generators to accomplish tasks, as opposed to simply using native CICS, which was difficult to master (hence the…
I knew a team that did 4GL on AS/400s (generating RP4 I think) and they were all about how superior their tool was and how terrible the Java team was in comparison and how they would never be out of a job. Within a couple years none were programmers any more as their tool was abandoned and they had no other programming skill.