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I work on something which will either be a side project for CV or a small business if I'm lucky - in either case most of the work at the time relates to development. On a typical week I put 30 - 40h into it (I don't work full time so I can afford it) and it still goes so damn slow. And the project is not anything crazy, just a standard Electron desktop app. I can hardly imagine how someone could build anything at 2h/…
The trick is to cheat: Pick side projects which you know you can make substantial progress on in a small amount of time given your unique set of skills and experiences.
Ask HN: for senior positions is it advisable to list side projects on your CV?
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Re: Ask HN: for senior positions is it advisable to list side projects on your CV?
#142My experience is that side projects are 90% ignored. They are treated strictly as line items like education. I got furious tired of this so on my last resume I treated my employment history strictly as employment history. A list of employers with dates and dates of promotions plus a sentence or two what I worked on. Supremely lowered emphasis. I also put my personal projects into a separate section above my employmen…
How you spend your time, what you spend it on, and how you executed your vision are much more interesting and informative to me about how you'll handle your work than which corporations you've fit into a slot for.
Re: Ask HN: for senior positions is it advisable to list side projects on your CV?
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The trick is to cheat: Pick side projects which you know you can make substantial progress on in a small amount of time given your unique set of skills and experiences.
Now it's not a side project: it's resume building.
Coincidentally I wrote some notes about resume building a few days ago: https://simonwillison.net/2021/Jul/17/standing-out/
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Ideas are not hard to find, even if you don't feel like you have them yourself there are loads of people pursuing side projects who would love help from someone skilled like yourself. I have pages of side project ideas I'd like to explore but will probably never get chance and would be happy to share with someone who might want to do them. Maybe it's more that you don't get very excited by side project type ideas? Th…
If they succeeded, was it irrational optimism, or rather irrational pessimism from the senior person? I consider myself senior, but I haven't really lost my optimism. I don't think becoming a senior should mean losing optimism. For me it's the opposite. I have much better understanding how to achieve something than before so I have the confidence that I can definitely do it. Maybe it's my personality though, that ins…
More specifically:
How do you handle collaborating with other teams if / when your work is a dependency for them delivering theirs?
How do you deal with requirements, use cases, and other pieces of functionality if you just jump into coding?
Re: Ask HN: for senior positions is it advisable to list side projects on your CV?
#145My experience is that side projects are 90% ignored. They are treated strictly as line items like education. I got furious tired of this so on my last resume I treated my employment history strictly as employment history. A list of employers with dates and dates of promotions plus a sentence or two what I worked on. Supremely lowered emphasis. I also put my personal projects into a separate section above my employmen…
I have no experience in hiring and can't really talk about it from my experiences of applying for jobs, but this sounds a bit weird to me, essentially telling the person reviewing your CV: "I've been focusing more on side projects than on my previous jobs, that's why you should consider me for this _job_".
With personal projects you set your own velocity. Output is the result of initiative, time spent, speed of delivery, competence in product development, and expertise on the problem.
Re: Ask HN: for senior positions is it advisable to list side projects on your CV?
#146If they are excited to show me something, that's great but I certainly don't assign that much weight to them.
The things that I really do look for however are work/life balance, i.e do they have other hobbies besides software engineering?, what do they think about people in general? are they vocal about sharing their ideas? can they resolve conflict? etc.
I think a team that is formed of healthy, balanced individuals is a successful one and what really matters is having high cohesion between members than anything else.
Hence, I have been very vocal about designing a great interview process that puts the candidates at ease: no whiteboard hazing, no leetcode questions, no homeworks (though we offer the choice).
We simply give them realistic technical challenges that we face in our day to day work and walk through their solutions together. If something is odd in their implementation , we'll ask them about it and inspect their thought-process.
Further, we pay everyone the same rate in USD (based on years of experience) regardless of the location and try to offer a fair compensation as much as possible (admittingly, it's hard to compete with FANG).
This process is slow and costly for us but has been absolutely worth it.
Re: Ask HN: for senior positions is it advisable to list side projects on your CV?
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I have no experience in hiring and can't really talk about it from my experiences of applying for jobs, but this sounds a bit weird to me, essentially telling the person reviewing your CV: "I've been focusing more on side projects than on my previous jobs, that's why you should consider me for this _job_".
It makes perfect sense to anybody who has contributed to personal projects. At work there is an institutionally locked velocity for a variety of reasons. Some of these reasons are highly qualified, some are accidental, and some are completely nonsense. With personal projects you set your own velocity. Output is the result of initiative, time spent, speed of delivery, competence in product development, and expertise o…
And even disregarding this, you're still not proving my point wrong. You're saying personal projects show you can work in some set of conditions that have little to do with how work in a company gets done. Yeah, you can "prove" yourself somewhat when you're on your own, does that automatically translate to being a good engineer in the office?
Again, I have no experience hiring, but I fail to see a logic here. Good luck with trying the CV out, and do write a blog post when the results are in!
Re: Ask HN: for senior positions is it advisable to list side projects on your CV?
#148My experience is that side projects are 90% ignored. They are treated strictly as line items like education. I got furious tired of this so on my last resume I treated my employment history strictly as employment history. A list of employers with dates and dates of promotions plus a sentence or two what I worked on. Supremely lowered emphasis. I also put my personal projects into a separate section above my employmen…
Re: Ask HN: for senior positions is it advisable to list side projects on your CV?
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
It makes perfect sense to anybody who has contributed to personal projects. At work there is an institutionally locked velocity for a variety of reasons. Some of these reasons are highly qualified, some are accidental, and some are completely nonsense. With personal projects you set your own velocity. Output is the result of initiative, time spent, speed of delivery, competence in product development, and expertise o…
You're gravely generalising, as if everyone who does side projects has to do them the same way you do. And even disregarding this, you're still not proving my point wrong. You're saying personal projects show you can work in some set of conditions that have little to do with how work in a company gets done. Yeah, you can "prove" yourself somewhat when you're on your own, does that automatically translate to being a g…
You are your own principle audience. You aren’t trying to prove anything. You are trying to build something. Unless you are the kind of person just likes building things I suspect it will be impossible to understand.
Re: Ask HN: for senior positions is it advisable to list side projects on your CV?
#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have no experience in hiring and can't really talk about it from my experiences of applying for jobs, but this sounds a bit weird to me, essentially telling the person reviewing your CV: "I've been focusing more on side projects than on my previous jobs, that's why you should consider me for this _job_".
It makes perfect sense to anybody who has contributed to personal projects. At work there is an institutionally locked velocity for a variety of reasons. Some of these reasons are highly qualified, some are accidental, and some are completely nonsense. With personal projects you set your own velocity. Output is the result of initiative, time spent, speed of delivery, competence in product development, and expertise o…