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Re: Ask HN: Learning about philosophy

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Absolutely agree. And sticking with western philosophy, if you are suggesting Hegel and Nietzsche. I would also bring you into the (late) twentieth century with Deleuze & Guattari. But I also wouldn't recommend them to a beginner. I also think as a start, knowing these figures, perhaps even tasting their work, lets you read around them. You see the way their ideas spread out into the world. I sometimes think there ar…

Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting Hegel and Nietzsche, but Heidegger and Nietzsche. Hegel, however, was clearly influential, so he shouldn't be left out of a list of influential philosophers. I'm just personally not a fan of his at all, and were it not for his significance I would skip him.

Yes, quite! I meant to say, Hegel and Kant or Heidegger and Nietzsche. Agree about Hegel too, theres a lot of philosophers works I would recommend to give a miss and just read a synopsis. Hegel is in that list, Kant is not.

Re: Ask HN: Learning about philosophy

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If you want to learn about philosophy, I highly recommend Russel's History of Western Philosophy. It's usually frowned upon and recommended to avoid for Philosophy students exactly for the same reasons I think it's one of the best books ever written:

It doesn't shy away of critique and dispute, as it was written by a practicing philosopher (who still values objectivity and holds to high standards of reasoning). The language is wonderful and historical bits to set the context are great.

I also recommend Anthony Gottlieb's "The Dream Of Reason" and "The Dream of Enlightenment", as the second and third book (if you liked the first one). They are more recent and sometimes expand on some things Russel deemed of lesser importance. Again, exceptionally well written.

Re: Ask HN: Learning about philosophy

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If you are interested in Western Catholic philosophy (considering its dominance from 500-1500 and ongoing influence in our world), I'd recommend reading from the Summa Theologica by St. Thomas Aquinas. Even if you are not Catholic, it will give you a much better understanding of the origins of modern Western thought.

From Wikipedia: "Throughout the Summa, Aquinas cites Christian, Muslim, Hebrew, and Pagan sources, including, but not limited to: Christian Sacred Scripture, Aristotle, Augustine of Hippo, Avicenna, Averroes, Al-Ghazali, Boethius, John of Damascus, Paul the Apostle, Pseudo-Dionysius, Maimonides, Anselm of Canterbury, Plato, Cicero, and John Scotus Eriugena."

Re: Ask HN: Learning about philosophy

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If you want to learn about philosophy, I highly recommend Russel's History of Western Philosophy. It's usually frowned upon and recommended to avoid for Philosophy students exactly for the same reasons I think it's one of the best books ever written: It doesn't shy away of critique and dispute, as it was written by a practicing philosopher (who still values objectivity and holds to high standards of reasoning). The l…

Russell's History of Western Philosophy is a terrific book. It's quite long, but for good reason.

While I do second the recommendation, I wouldn't make that your first introduction to the subject, unless you already know you are interested and committed. Most people really enjoy some aspect and finding that aspect at a high level is important IMHO. If you dive too deep on non-interesting topics, you may get bored of the whole thing.

If you're interested in my advice for getting started, I detailed it here a few years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16936240

Re: Ask HN: Learning about philosophy

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> Outside the Eurocentric philosophy bubble, it can be harder to disentangle philosophy from religion, culture, and myth, but that's part of the fun. maggie thatcher didn't say "all problems come from outside europe". she said "in my lifetime all our problems have come from mainland europe and all the solutions have come from the english-speaking nations of the world" i think you're a bit mistaken about the nature of…

Sorry, when I say Eurocentric, I include the UK. Europe for most people still includes the British Isles, regardless of the preferences of certain conservatives. Also, wow that's an ignorant quote. Let me rephrase it: "We have no internal problems. All of our external problems during a 60 year period have come from our neighboring countries, and all the solutions are the ones we and our allies came up with." Genius.…

> Sorry, when I say Eurocentric, I include the UK.

That's my whole disagreement. The analytic-continental divide is a split within the western world. But you present it as if the non-eurocentric world is more conducive to the continental tradition, when even the concept of eurocentrism not only comes from europe, but it comes from the continental tradition through hegel's philosophy of history and his predecessors.

Re: Ask HN: Learning about philosophy

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> If you care about what is true, What is truth? I go with Nietzsche and think that philosophers seeking the absolute truth are actually influenced by Christianity.

By adding "absolute" to "truth," you seem to be alluding to (but not stating) a non-deflationary account of truth that OP almost certainly does not believe. Second, what does Christianity have to do with anything? Was Aristotle influenced by Christianity?

It might be poorly worded but OP's comment sounds very absolute about this to me.

> Second, what does Christianity have to do with anything?

The way Kant tries to base his theories on axioms is similar to what some theologians did.

Re: Ask HN: Learning about philosophy

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If you want to learn about philosophy, I highly recommend Russel's History of Western Philosophy. It's usually frowned upon and recommended to avoid for Philosophy students exactly for the same reasons I think it's one of the best books ever written: It doesn't shy away of critique and dispute, as it was written by a practicing philosopher (who still values objectivity and holds to high standards of reasoning). The l…

> It's usually frowned upon and recommended to avoid for Philosophy students exactly for the same reasons I think it's one of the best books ever written:

> It doesn't shy away of critique and dispute

This is nonsense. wittgenstein and nietzsche are highly regarded within philosophy departments, and they both criticize philosophy to the point of turning their backs on philosophy. russell is just not a very careful scholar of history, philosophy, or the history of philosophy.

Re: Ask HN: Learning about philosophy

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For an introduction to theology and eastern philosophy I suggest Alan Watts' lectures, you can buy them as audio files or try to find them on video streaming websites.

Funny enough I'm listening to a Dr. Dre Alan Watts mashup right now. Works surprisingly well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6VTQZNULlA

Alan Watts is so eminently samplable. Lots of bands in all sorts of genres sample him.

Here are some of my favorites, from Dhamika:

Eliya - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM1VVCbPfys

Indukala - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXUZoS3LwWo

The Real Substance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llq1Q0us3Ww

Perspective - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNoy4UWd4zA

Luminance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vz5Qkg2SHc

Re: Ask HN: Learning about philosophy

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For introductions, my favorite is Alain de Botton's The Consolations of Philosophy.

It's a fascinating subject but be prepared to be utterly confused the deeper you dive. I've concluded, like philosopher Michael Huemer, that few philosophical principles can be uncontroversially concluded. Excerpt from The Problem of Political Authority [1]:

"Questions of this kind are notoriously difficult. How should we approach them? One approach would be to start from some comprehensive moral theory–say, utilitarianism or Kantian deontology–and attempt to deduce the appropriate conclusions about political rights and obligations. I, unfortunately, cannot do this. I do not know the correct general moral theory, and I don’t think anyone else does either. The reasons for my skepticism are difficult to communicate, but they derive from reflection on the problems of moral philosophy and on the complex, confusing, and constantly disputed literature about those problems. It is a literature in which one theory after another runs into a morass of puzzles and problems that becomes ever more complicated as more philosophers work on it. I cannot fully communicate the situation here; the best way of appreciating my skepticism about moral theory is to delve into that literature yourself. Here, I shall simply announce that I will not assume any comprehensive moral theory, and I think we should be very skeptical of any attempt to arrive at sound conclusions in political philosophy by starting from such a theory. Nor, for similar reasons, do I start by assuming any general political theory, though we shall arrive at a political theory in the end."

As far as an overarching philosophy, I've concluded on intuitionism, closely approximated by Huemer's Ethical Intuitionism [2].

[1] https://spot.colorado.edu/~huemer/1.htm [2] Excerpt: https://spot.colorado.edu/~huemer/5.htm

Re: Ask HN: Learning about philosophy

#150
The first thing one should know about philosophy is that, just like with religion, there is not one but many philosophies. That’s on a general level. Besides that, there is philosophy of science, philosophy of mathematics, historical philosophy, perhaps even philosophy of philosophy. Much of studying philosophy, unlike in sciences and mathematics, consists of the study of its history (which is a fun subject in its own right).
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