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Re: Ask HN: Recommendations of good cybercrime novels?

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"Masters of Deception: The Gang That Ruled Cyberspace" is a true crime story covering the late 80s/early 90s era of hacking in the US, and a conflict[0] between two prominent hacker groups of the time - LOD[1] and MOD[2] - which mostly consisted of smart teenage kids who were just obsessed with computers and telephone networks. It's unquestionably one of my favourite books.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Hacker_War

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_of_Doom_(hacking)

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masters_of_Deception

Re: Ask HN: Recommendations of good cybercrime novels?

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Reamde , by Neal Stephenson. Yeah, the big daddy of cyberpunk ("Snowcrash") also wrote a contemporary technothriller set in organized cybercrime organizations.

Bit of a stretch to call out Stephenson as a "big daddy of cyberpunk"? What title would you give to Sterling and Gibson?

Stephenson is more post cyberpunk really.

Re: Ask HN: Recommendations of good cybercrime novels?

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Reamde , by Neal Stephenson. Yeah, the big daddy of cyberpunk ("Snowcrash") also wrote a contemporary technothriller set in organized cybercrime organizations.

I'm a big Stephenson fan, and I thought Reamde was terrible. His usual quirky pacing just turns into a dragging nightmare that never pays off, it's uncharacteristically full of questionable technical premises, and if it weren't for a few islands of genuinely entertaining scenes I would not have made it through. I honestly believe it's the result of some suit pressuring him to write about topics people see on Dateline

I wholeheartedly agree. I only finished it because it was his, but I feared he could be «losing it».

Fortunately seveneves was again spectacular.

Re: Ask HN: Recommendations of good cybercrime novels?

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I would recommend "Underground", a text-only e-book about (perhaps even by?) Kevin Mitnick, how the entire hacker scene got started, and through the cat-and-mouse game that led to Mitnick's eventual arrest. Unfortunately, I cannot find a link to this work; although I did find uncountable similar books and movies on the topic. Perhaps this will suffice as a teaser? "Catching Kevin" at Wired: https://www.wired.com/1996…

I'm not sure which specific Kevin Mitnick book you're actually referring to or looking for but the book "Underground" is actually by Suelette Dreyfus and is about the nascent hacker/cracker subculture of the late '80s and early '90s. It was researched by/with Julian Assange (not written by him as another commenter has stated) who is known in the book as "Mendax". [1] Interestingly, the book was released for free onli…

Yes, this must be it. Thank you (and other commenters!) for the added references.

Re: Ask HN: Recommendations of good cybercrime novels?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking back on it now, I think the one thing that's really not plausible is the idea that someone could write a system that can anticipate anything that can happen. It was a little too Foundation/Psychohistory for me. But it was still a fantastic novel, I loved reading it, and will probably re-read it again and again.

Did you read Freedom(TM)? It's a "sequel" but is really the second half of the novel. Addresses your critique in a very interesting way.

I did, yup. I was actually super mad at Daemon; I always try to get people to get both at once, to avoid the cliffhanger.

I don't think it address it enough; it made it more plausible by admitting that it can't be completely autonomous, but I'm not entirely sold. Having said that, I still love the series, much like I love any fantasy novel :P

Re: Ask HN: Recommendations of good cybercrime novels?

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In a hard SF rather than contemporary context, A Deepness in the Sky , by Vernor Vinge, is an absolute delight (and a Hugo winner for best novel). Vinge was a mathematics and computer science professor, and very much knows what he's talking about. Part of the fun is that, on a 5000 year old spaceship set arbitrarily far in our future, long past the end of Moore's Law, all the systems are still running Unix. And one o…

Same author wrote _True Names_, which pre-dates the internet and yet nails a bunch of internet crime concepts (it's not about black ICE it's about someone doxing you, etc). Some sci-fi authors had a vision of the future, Vinge went on a 3 month vacation to the future.

Re: Ask HN: Recommendations of good cybercrime novels?

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In a hard SF rather than contemporary context, A Deepness in the Sky , by Vernor Vinge, is an absolute delight (and a Hugo winner for best novel). Vinge was a mathematics and computer science professor, and very much knows what he's talking about. Part of the fun is that, on a 5000 year old spaceship set arbitrarily far in our future, long past the end of Moore's Law, all the systems are still running Unix. And one o…

A more cybercrime themed Vinge short story would be True Names. It's out of print AFAIK but you can find it online.
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