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Ive read Intelligent Investor twice - and there is a chapter midway through the annotated version which basically says that if you arent willing to put in the time finding value shares then stick with passive investing in low cost funds. I also read Buffetts share letter and he frequently touts how well passive investing would do, even with respect to Berkshire Hathaway Im purely passive now based mostly on boglehead…
Would you please mind giving some examples of low-cost ETFs?
Ask HN: How did you learn about stocks and the market?
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Re: Ask HN: How did you learn about stocks and the market?
#142I get asked this question a lot and usually recommend http://www.realvisiontv.com these days, particularly if you like videos.
Some variable quality, but some really excellent, unique viewpoints from value investors and macro managers there.
I would also recommend the Market Wizards series by Schwager and Inside the House of Money/the Invisible Hands by the Drobnys.
Re: Ask HN: How did you learn about stocks and the market?
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>You will never, ever beat the market by making smart trades. Agree. Just buy ticker VOO and get on with your life. Even Warren Buffet has said to buy 90% VOO and 10% bonds. And you will never be as good at this as Warren Buffett. That said, I take 10% of my net worth and put it in a 'casino fund' where I can buy whatever I want. Startups, peer to peer nonsense, individual stocks, and so on.
VOO isn't exposed to international developed and emerging markets. If you have the appetite for risk, you may want to take significant positions in VEA and VWO.
'International sales accounted for 66 percent of the quarter’s revenue.'
Re: Ask HN: How did you learn about stocks and the market?
#144I have read many books since then, but none have had the uniqueness or simplicity as his method has.
Re: Ask HN: How did you learn about stocks and the market?
#145I read a ton of books. I happened to do an internship at Intel back in 1999, and there was a senior engineer in the group that published his own book on the subject of stock trading. It was quite an ingenious method he used. I have read many books since then, but none have had the uniqueness or simplicity as his method has.
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Agreed, with one exception: when you as an individual have fairly deep knowledge about something and spot a market opportunity based on that knowledge, you might be able to correctly judge whether you can take advantage of it. I've done this several times and made good money. Two times I approximately doubled my money over the course of several months. Yeah, not day trading but buying and waiting for the market to fi…
I own shares given to me in a company I used to work for that has now floated. I am keeping the shares, which is effectively a pick but I know it is well run and very good at executing value acquisitions
I look at it from a downside vs upside perspective. I want a lower probability of a downside, which will cause pain to me. For that I am okay, to trade it with moderate upside e.g. index based funds.
Re: Ask HN: How did you learn about stocks and the market?
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+1 for Index investing - also called passive investing, couch potato investing etc. It is so simple and elegant I can put it in code: // Decide asset allocation based on risk tolerance. E.g. 75% Stocks / 25% Fixed income set_asset_allocation(risk_tolerance) // Determine which index you want to track. E.g. 25% Canada (TSX) // 25% US (S&P500), 25% Developed World (MCSI EAFE) select_funds(list_of_funds) // Set up automa…
And there are services now which automate this. For a management fee (generally 0.025%/year) you can set up automated recurring deposits, choose a risk tolerance, and let the algorithm continuously rebalance your portfolio automatically in a tax-efficient way. Just click some nice big friendly buttons and enter your information and forget about it, and watch your portfolio grow (or drop, with the market). I work at a…
Re: Ask HN: How did you learn about stocks and the market?
#148- 'The Big Short' & 'Liar's Poker' by Michael Lewis
- AntiFragile by N N Taleb (There are other's by Taleb, which I haven't read)
- Seeking Wisdom by Peter Bevelin (on lessons learnt from Warren Buffet & Charlie Munger -- Yes, few of the most richest guys, who gained perhaps)[1]
I have also made some mistakes in investing. One so obvious mistake in hindsight, one was around 2007, when I moved a large portion of my networth from a single stock, to a diverse portfolio. Which was a good thing in itself, as I was moving it from all-eggs-in-a-basket to more distributed. But When the crash happened (world wide) I might have gone down 30%! The single stock, was comparatively down by much less. The good thing I did was not to do a panic sell in 2009. Though Discarded some stocks which were proven worthless (some down by 95%), just to avoid the pain of seeing them in my portfolio. But I kept the Mutual funds, which again started to come back to the original levels around 2011 and later on.
In restrospect, I should have reduced the risk fast. That is moved it all to cash. Then gone about investing slowly. By which I would have escaped huge downside (2008/2009). The problem is I knew the mantra already. But it got firmly registered after that experience. Another such golden rule is 'Buy when cheap, Sell when high'. Sounds very simple, but hard to grok it fully, unless you have felt some pain.
Having learnt that lesson. Now I keep most of my investment outside the stock market (exited during the rise of 2014). And keep only lesser amount around 10-15% in stock market. And that too only in index funds.
So IMHO, there is clearly no one size fits all. Investing and gaining from it is very much possible. Wonder if there is any vested interest in the mantra which gurus give i.e. invest only in mutual funds/index funds. Do they want others to not compete with them? :-)
But it does take a lot of time and years and pain to become good at it. And time is the biggest resource constraint, which perhaps we (the non-pros) all have. So at present I like to read everything I find on the topic. But decide to play it safe (i.e. fixed deposits, index funds, and similar). As once you are in the game i.e. investing in stocks/instruments which have huge upsides/downsides and hence riskier. You need to be more involved. And my personal experience its very difficult to do that, with things like programming and trying to grow your own business.
Hope this misc bit of reading pointers and micro experience share, is of tiny bit use. I am ever interested to read as much on this topic - views, articles, particularly the insights people learn from experience.
[1] Had got this reco via Derek sivers https://sivers.org/book/SeekingWisdom
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Re: Ask HN: How did you learn about stocks and the market?
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You're making a lot of absolute statements that are demonstrably false. >> You will never, ever beat the market by making smart trades. How do you define "smart" trades? There are people and firms which consistently beat the S&P 500 after fees and trade commissions on a timeline of 20+ years without using insider trading. What would this be called, other than "smart" trading? >> Active funds employ hundreds or thousa…
>There are people and firms which consistently beat the S&P 500 after fees and trade commissions on a timeline of 20+ years without using insider trading. What would this be called, other than "smart" trading? Mind naming a few? I'm unfamiliar with any firms that consistently can beat the S&P 500, much less for 20+ consecutive years. This could, of course, be called "luck". Given the number of investors, some will in…
http://www.businessinsider.com/warren-buffett-berkshire-hath...
You can think he got lucky 50 years in a row (1/2^50, what're the odds? Does it invalidate the null hypothesis?) or that investing involves an element of skill.
It's impossible to predict who will win a poker tournament but winning games is a skill, and certain players consistently do better than others. Sure, I wouldn't advocate the average person try to make money with poker, but it's disingenuous to pretend it's a black art.
Re: Ask HN: How did you learn about stocks and the market?
#150I read a ton of books. I happened to do an internship at Intel back in 1999, and there was a senior engineer in the group that published his own book on the subject of stock trading. It was quite an ingenious method he used. I have read many books since then, but none have had the uniqueness or simplicity as his method has.
Interesting. Do you have a link to his book / paper back then?
I did purchase his book, and I ended up lending it out to a family member who lost it :(