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Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

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Post by pixl97 »

archagon wrote: post #76
ryandrake wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If what people here say is right, and AI usage online is growing and accelerating, then by the end of the year, the vast, vast majority articles posted to the internet (and linked by HN readers) are going to be AI slop, at which point it is not going to matter. "This article is AI" is going to add about as much insight to the conversation as "The author used a spell checker."

A good link aggregator should strive to select the <1% of articles that are actually high quality. Who cares what “everyone” is doing?

Isn't that what the vote system is? If the users are selecting low quality then what exactly?

Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

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Post by minimaxir »

dang wrote: post #126
jorvi wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP wrote in the parent: ".. Fault-tolerant and highly available hardware must facilitate low-latency, single-threaded communication with high semantic density in order to achieve multi-dimensional consensus in a safety-critical, heterogeneous, adversarial environment. .." I am not sure why you think someone saying "not AI trust me bro" carries any merit. At any rate, like I said, I've given up the war. People enjoy r…

Your post ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47493096 ) might also have been downvoted for saying "Be better", which is an internet putdown trope.

Also that.

Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

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Post by minimaxir »

Joel_Mckay wrote: post #117
minimaxir wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being carelessly overzealous with flags/blocking is a reliable way to kill a community by making it overly toxic, speaking from experience.

I am skeptical YC frequency of "AI" related content is representative of actual users interest. Yet I agree there are a lot of cultural differences in this world that don't often translate well for some users. Some folks will assume because they disagree about some subject, that it is some sort of personal slight. Even scoring posts does provably change peoples behavior, and studies showed it tended to make people mo…

> I am skeptical YC frequency of "AI" related content is representative of actual users interest.

Are you implying the front page is botted/manipulated?

Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

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Post by minimaxir »

dang wrote: post #124
satisfice wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“AI generated” is already a slur.

It's sometimes used that way, sometimes a fact, and sometimes both. It's all unclear because we're still in the early stages of this working itself out.

And then there's clanker (which has fortunately tapered off a bit): https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

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Post by TimorousBestie »

minimaxir wrote: post #123
nojs wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not OP, but I’ve been nuked with downvotes for this several times too and tend to delete the dead comments. The slop is so prevalent that at this point it’s not a particularly interesting thing to say I think.

HN guidelines are to flag/downvote and move on anyways.

And if you flag/downvote AI content (or any other class of content) too consistently, you’ll find your flags and downvotes quickly become ineffective.

So the guidelines are in some sense a red herring.

Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

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Post by bakugo »

dang wrote: post #42

We don't allow genai text on HN itself - see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#generated and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47340079 . How to enforce it is a separate question, of course, but the rule exists. We don't have a similar rule yet about article content but my sense is that the community mostly doesn't want to read it—or, to put it more conservatively, discounts it. This is why we see s…

> The AIs will adapt to this

I don't think this is true, at least not right now, and in a way I'm actually thankful for it.

The frantic rush to chase the only potentially profitable use case for LLMs found so far (writing code) and the resulting focus on coding RLHF means models are actively becoming worse at sounding like humans.

This is my favorite example, and it's already relatively outdated: https://progress.openai.com/?prompt=10

Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

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Post by TimorousBestie »

dang wrote: post #67
dawnerd wrote: post #4

Considering YC invests in AI I doubt you’ll get anything of the sort. Too many people here also think you just have to give in and accept (abuser mentality IMO).

I'd be curious if you'd read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48887149 and let me know (once I've finished editing the damn thing) how this changes, or doesn't change, your response.

It didn’t change my opinion, which matches OP’s.

Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

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Post by tptacek »

dang wrote: post #42

We don't allow genai text on HN itself - see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#generated and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47340079 . How to enforce it is a separate question, of course, but the rule exists. We don't have a similar rule yet about article content but my sense is that the community mostly doesn't want to read it—or, to put it more conservatively, discounts it. This is why we see s…

A fixed dropdown list of flag reasons would be a very good change, I think, because it would somewhat counteract strategic flagging of stories as a downvote. I think you'd want to keep the list pretty tight, because it seems like a huge source of meta drama.
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