If you go for lower paying jobs you will be treated better and have much better results without all that h1b soft slavery culture and exploitation, but alas you’ll never be able to live like a prop13’d boomer homeowner on such a salary unless you leave this failed state and move somewhere with enough political diversity to ensure a functional government. You can’t surf in Denver so you’ll have to make a hard choice or pick up a new hobby like snowboarding.
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#132I've read all the comments in this thread and I will be frank with you. You are arrogant and entitled. You are not as great as you think you are. If you were, you would have what you want. But you don't. And even if you were great, you (or anyone for that matter) shouldn't be arrogant or entitled. It's a terrible way to live. Insulting those who are trying to help you by calling their advice "boomer cope" is beyond a…
I agree with the parent's main point, but I'd like to soften it a little: Many of us have learned humility the hard way. It's a painful process. But if you take the right lessons from it, then in retrospect you'll be glad for the personal growth.
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#133The one thing they taught me about jobs and the future in the C.A.C.C (California cadet corps) was that the more you help out/volunteer the more likely you are to get a job over someone else who didn't do anything this can also apply to stuff you did in high school depending if you did stuff in high school or not could also help :p
Worst case maybe I'll join the military
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#134Back when the dot com bubble burst I ended up in the same position and had to switch careers in order to keep the rent paid, and programming became just a hobby instead. I kind of prefer that as everything I've heard about modern commercial software development sounds like hell (especially if, like me, you have no interest in web stuff). Being able to work on what I want to, at my own pace, in languages I like, is ni…
Which career did you switch to?
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#135I’m in the same boat, but fortunately have a job right now. I’m not sure what I’ll do after this current one. Seems like the interview pipeline is geared towards new grads and junior engineers and penalize senior and staff. At what point do I stop having to do these silly coding interviews?! At what point does my resume and 20 yrs of experience speak for itself? So called senior/staff interview loops are a joke with…
Agree with your points on networking being the only way. Interviewing is super broken right now.
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#136Adjust your definition of a “real career” as one making over 150k. Another adjustment is thinking 4 months is a long time, especially given you know you could improve interviewing. Check out data fields. I’m in data analytics, no I don’t make 150k, but it’s a good living and I consider it real. I do a lot of good and save government a lot of money with my tech skills.
I wonder what % of the country (much less the world) make less than 150k and this thread is just shitting all over them. 90%? 95%? 98%? I'm embarrassed by this whole thing.
OP comes off as hugely entitled to be honest.
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#137I've read all the comments in this thread and I will be frank with you. You are arrogant and entitled. You are not as great as you think you are. If you were, you would have what you want. But you don't. And even if you were great, you (or anyone for that matter) shouldn't be arrogant or entitled. It's a terrible way to live. Insulting those who are trying to help you by calling their advice "boomer cope" is beyond a…
But I will add that there are external factors as well.
The last 10-15 years in this industry have been an absolute cakewalk. I came to this conclusion even as a junior engineer who entered the workforce around 2015. I remember getting my entry level salary and thinking there's no way this goes on forever. Everyone was hiring people that can't do basic shit and giving them six figure salaries. When the gravy train is rolling it's really hard to not get complacent. I think we all did a little bit, and now the gravy train is over. This is how every other industry is. You don't get paid much for middling skills, job searches take a while, etc. This is how it's going to be.
Just like all the others, this'll be a k shaped recession.
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#138I don't really know what it's like in America but 150k here is insane. If you really can't land a job, it's either time for an attitude adjustment or perhaps a third bite at the apple.
I don’t know where you are but 150k is decent at best in most US and Western European big cities. So if someone has a few years of experience under their belt, the expectation isn’t too complacent.
This expectation is why software development has become the neo-yuppies of the 2010s-2020s, people with overinflated expectations because they are keeping-up-with-the-Joneses from the internet being loud about their high salaries. Yes, there are people earning a lot in this industry but it's definitely not the norm outside of the inflated US salaries, the USA is the outlier.
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#140You have set a high goal of $150k salary without a clear way to achieve it, or a clear passion, if I'm reading correctly. What is your depth of knowledge in? You say software? Law would be an risk idea if you don't love it with all your heart, even people who love law hate it by the end of law school.
People on HN saying $150k is a "high bar" is frankly insulting. Anyone in the bay who's not a founder or working for a meaningless company easily clears $200k. I've started two companies, exited one and technically have the skills of a "senior engineer". I've managed teams of engineers and have architected remote factory production systems for one of my companies along with a dozen or so relatively complex web apps i…