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Re: Ask HN: Has anybody built search on top of Anna's Archive?

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Post by gosub100 »

lukan wrote: post #127
gosub100 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not saying you're deceiving but can you show me where a state has made a book about bombs illegal? It seems like that would be a slam dunk 1A violation. And yes I'm aware that states willfully violate 2A but I don't want to discuss it here.

Not saying you cannot read, but if you would, the other answer to my comment literally has such an example. Germany is like this as well since a few years. Not all states are within the US.

you're not saying I cannot read, but that type of inflection is uncalled for. You have been reported to the mods.

Re: Ask HN: Has anybody built search on top of Anna's Archive?

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Post by qingcharles »

lukan wrote: post #33
oguz-ismail wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I would assume pedo stuff is not really there Search for "lolicon"

Well, I won't. But does it contain just text or real pictures? That would make a big legal difference I assume.

It makes very little legal difference in a lot of jurisdictions. They are considered the same.

Re: Ask HN: Has anybody built search on top of Anna's Archive?

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Post by qingcharles »

jxjnskkzxxhx wrote: post #37
oguz-ismail wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I would assume pedo stuff is not really there Search for "lolicon"

I thought that was anime pictures...?

That doesn't matter. They are still illegal in a great number of jurisdictions, including large portions of the USA.

Re: Ask HN: Has anybody built search on top of Anna's Archive?

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Post by qingcharles »

lukan wrote: post #20
niux wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How might you inadvertently download illegal content while searching for legal content?

He said he wants to download lots of it in general, not specifical. Legit question, if you end up with dark material. I would assume pedo stuff is not really there, but the anarchist cookbook and alike likely will be.

There is illegal stuff in there, because some of the books they've swept up into the archive have been retconned to be illegal. A lot of obscene material wasn't illegal until into the 80s, and these shadow libraries are scooping up everything without checking. I don't know what they do if you report it to them.

For instance, there are issues of multiple issues of Playboy with underage models. All the archives of British tabloid newspapers had to be purged in 2003 after the laws changed there, etc.

Re: Ask HN: Has anybody built search on top of Anna's Archive?

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Post by sneak »

gpm wrote: post #85
HDThoreaun wrote: post #61

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Every LLM maker probably did the same. Facebook just has disgruntled employees who leaked it

Google goes around legally scanning every book they can get their hands on with books.google.com. Legally scanning every paper they can get their hands on with scholar.google.com. I doubt they'd resort to piracy for what is basically the same information as what they've already legally acquired...

Downloading a torrent isn't piracy if you are a license holder for the information that you are downloading.

Re: Ask HN: Has anybody built search on top of Anna's Archive?

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Post by sneak »

corgi912 wrote: post #89
TeMPOraL wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a difference between feeding massive amounts of copyrighted material to a training process that blends them thoroughly and irreversibly, and doing all that in-house, vs. offering people a service that indexes (and possibly partially rehosts) that material, enabling and encouraging users to engage directly in pirating concrete copyrighted works.

There's this famous phrase in Russian that was born out of a short interview with a woman, a strong Putin supporter, that's often been used as a sarcastic remark for pointing out someone's double standards and/or hypocrisy. It can be roughly translated to "you don't understand, it's a completely different situation". That's what's constantly on my mind when I'm reading discussions like this one. Everybody and their d…

> The very same data poor American students were forced to commit suicide over

Leaving the rest of your argument aside, precisely nobody forced aaronsw to commit suicide.

Re: Ask HN: Has anybody built search on top of Anna's Archive?

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Post by gpm »

sneak wrote: post #135
gpm wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google goes around legally scanning every book they can get their hands on with books.google.com. Legally scanning every paper they can get their hands on with scholar.google.com. I doubt they'd resort to piracy for what is basically the same information as what they've already legally acquired...

Downloading a torrent isn't piracy if you are a license holder for the information that you are downloading.

*If the license you have authorizes you to make a copy in that fashion.

But here, Google isn't a license holder. Google doesn't license the text in Google Books (unless something has changed since the lawsuits). Google simply legally acquires (buys, borrows, etc) a copy of the book and does things with it that the US courts have found are fair use and require no license.

Incidentally I believe the French courts disagreed and fined them half a million dollars or so and ordered them to stop in France.

Re: Ask HN: Has anybody built search on top of Anna's Archive?

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Post by fazlerocks »

The indexing costs would be nuts - Anna's Archive is like 200TB+ and growing fast. Even with decent search infra you're looking at serious compute/storage costs. Plus there's the obvious legal stuff that would make this a no-go for most companies with anything to lose. The decentralized thing they're doing probably makes way more sense.

Re: Ask HN: Has anybody built search on top of Anna's Archive?

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Post by pigeons »

trollbridge wrote: post #79
DaSexiestAlive wrote: post #9

Mebbe easier to just search Amazon or Goodreads. Like site:amazon.ca as someone has mentioned below. Every book has an ISBN 10 or 13 digit ISBN number to identify them. Unless it's some self-pub/amateur-hour situation by some paranoid prepper living in a faraday-cage-protected cage in Arkansas or Florida it's likely a publication with a title, an author and an ISBN number.

A self-pub amateur-hour book printed by a paranoid prepper living in a faraday cage is exactly the type of book I'd probably enjoy reading, but I doubt these exist anymore.

I know, remember Loopanics?

Re: Ask HN: Has anybody built search on top of Anna's Archive?

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Post by jxjnskkzxxhx »

qingcharles wrote: post #133
jxjnskkzxxhx wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought that was anime pictures...?

That doesn't matter. They are still illegal in a great number of jurisdictions, including large portions of the USA.

Citation needed.
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