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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone still using Dreamweaver?

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Post by unsupp0rted »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #53
Apreche wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really, it’s more about what Apple did with Flash. iOS not supporting it is what killed it.

Flash being a persistent security hole and memory hog is what killed it. Adobe should have gotten their shit together. Apple saved us from the hell of fixed resolution flash apps and dozens of flash ads on a page.

Steve Jobs talked about this- when asked by the audience why he wasn't supporting Flash, he said the main thing people will be missing out on is banner ads. And he was mostly right.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone still using Dreamweaver?

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Post by greggsy »

neom wrote: post #13

I do!!!!!! I love dreamwaver even today, I'm surprised people don't use it, they have done an amazing job keeping it up to date - it's honestly a joy to use. Granted: I'm not a real dev/swe, just a dude who likes to mess around with webtech, still, I think "real devs" would enjoy it too, it's great to use. I learn web on dreamweaver, I would make something on the front end WYSIWYG editor, and then "turn it around" (I…

Reverse engineering is a great way to learn.

Even better than steroids by step sometimes.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone still using Dreamweaver?

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Post by cluckindan »

lubujackson wrote: post #70
snowwrestler wrote: post #65

I had to read the question twice. Dreamweaver was the go-to in 2010 ? I think it was already well on its decline by then. At a new job in 2003 one of my first tasks was to generate new “heat map” code since the company was updating the background image file for 50-state map interfaces. Dreamweaver had the best interface for doing that work, so I got a copy and spent a couple days carefully tracing the 50 state outlin…

Funny story, I'm a SWE and my wife used to work as a marketing manager. Her boss wanted her to make something similar, a heat map over a U.S. map. Except he wanted it to work in Excel. She asked me about it and I told her I could code something like that, but no way inside Excel... Sure enough, she hacked on it for a while and was able to actually build a functioning heat map in Excel. I have no idea how it works. I'…

Excel has a store with many types of choropleth charts for free. Takes literally two minutes to make a US heatmap.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone still using Dreamweaver?

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Post by reaperman »

greggsy wrote: post #132
neom wrote: post #13

I do!!!!!! I love dreamwaver even today, I'm surprised people don't use it, they have done an amazing job keeping it up to date - it's honestly a joy to use. Granted: I'm not a real dev/swe, just a dude who likes to mess around with webtech, still, I think "real devs" would enjoy it too, it's great to use. I learn web on dreamweaver, I would make something on the front end WYSIWYG editor, and then "turn it around" (I…

Reverse engineering is a great way to learn. Even better than steroids by step sometimes.

“Steroids by step”?

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone still using Dreamweaver?

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Post by stevesunderland »

I still open Dreamweaver to use its advanced find/replace tool[1]. You can create complex conditions (eg. "find all a tags with class button and change the tag to button") which is super helpful when refactoring code or converting stuff. I keep thinking about making VSCode extension that has the same capabilities.

[1] https://helpx.adobe.com/dreamweaver/using/find-replace-text....

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone still using Dreamweaver?

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Post by UncleSlacky »

don-code wrote: post #28
neom wrote: post #13

I do!!!!!! I love dreamwaver even today, I'm surprised people don't use it, they have done an amazing job keeping it up to date - it's honestly a joy to use. Granted: I'm not a real dev/swe, just a dude who likes to mess around with webtech, still, I think "real devs" would enjoy it too, it's great to use. I learn web on dreamweaver, I would make something on the front end WYSIWYG editor, and then "turn it around" (I…

I did the same, except with Netscape Composer. That was a time where the output of the WYSIWYG editor - really, the source of any page - was pretty digestible, even to me as a middle school student. I've noticed recently that the JavaScript debugger in Firefox can "un-Webpack" (and in some cases un-minify, if I've read the inputs and outputs correctly) the code behind many sites. It's certainly not as approachable as…

Composer survives to this day as part of the Seamonkey suite. I still use it for nice, simple static sites: https://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/features

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone still using Dreamweaver?

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Post by justinkramp »

pentagrama wrote: post #104
snowwrestler wrote: post #65

I had to read the question twice. Dreamweaver was the go-to in 2010 ? I think it was already well on its decline by then. At a new job in 2003 one of my first tasks was to generate new “heat map” code since the company was updating the background image file for 50-state map interfaces. Dreamweaver had the best interface for doing that work, so I got a copy and spent a couple days carefully tracing the 50 state outlin…

My first websites around 98 I landed on something more obscure to build them I think, Net Objects Fusion. Later switched to (Macromedia) Dreamweaver.

Built an e-commerce site in 1998 using net objects fusion. Had no idea what I was doing but it helped me learn quickly.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone still using Dreamweaver?

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Post by jcarrano »

trinix912 wrote: post #38
don-code wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did the same, except with Netscape Composer. That was a time where the output of the WYSIWYG editor - really, the source of any page - was pretty digestible, even to me as a middle school student. I've noticed recently that the JavaScript debugger in Firefox can "un-Webpack" (and in some cases un-minify, if I've read the inputs and outputs correctly) the code behind many sites. It's certainly not as approachable as…

I think it was Microsoft FrontPage that had the most undigestible output at the time. A mess of tables, inline styles, Internet Explorer-specific tricks, plus a reliance on FrontPage Server Extensions for full functionality. Adobe still had GoLive at the time, which was basically what Dreamweaver is now, and it didn't mangle the output as much, neither did Netscape Composer (which was way more limited). Many of the s…

Last time I checked (10 years ago), Microsoft Share Point was still producing a nightmare of nested tables.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone still using Dreamweaver?

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Post by fourthark »

riskneutral wrote: post #89
trinix912 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's ironically still the easiest way to go for HTML emails as the output is almost guaranteed to display well across various email clients that don't implement CSS properly (Outlook).

> email clients that don't implement CSS properly (Outlook). Can anyone explain how this is even possible? It's 2025.

Not the answer you were looking for, but `juice` makes it possible.

https://github.com/Automattic/juice

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone still using Dreamweaver?

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Post by sebastiennight »

reaperman wrote: post #134
greggsy wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reverse engineering is a great way to learn. Even better than steroids by step sometimes.

“Steroids by step”?

Sounds like an occurence of autocorrect giving us a glimpse into the poster's typing history!
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