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Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

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post #68

Just curious how felony assault is not a physical violence offense. I understand there could be differences in state laws, but most felony assault charges require use of force wither resulting in an injury or involving a weapon.

It may depend on jurisdiction, but often assault is a threat, assault and battery is violence.

Definitely jurisdiction dependent. I know at least some states combine them both under 'assault.'

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

#132
post #49

Nov’22 is very recent, and won’t be your experience forever. It’s been a little over 20 years for me. Now, I get background checked every year. It doesn’t show. Initially I worked in food service and on phpfreelancer. I spun that into consistent consulting work until a client offered a full time position (less than 15 people, no background checks). As the years rolled by, I kept moving around. Eventually I tried at a…

Not a felon but grew up with everyone telling us that colleges would search our social media etc. A friend told me that the 2 important rules to surviving corporate environments is the following in no specific order. 1. Never lie to someone, and own what you did. Wordsmithing is a gray area but never lie, the reputation of not being truthful can follow you for decades. 2. Never volunteer information that isn't specif…

tell the truth, but don't always be telling it

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

#133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think being upfront is important. There's a lot of stuff that doesn't need to be said (I've been clean 43 years, and no one ever knew, in my jobs -I just wasn't much fun at the office party), but felonies will always come up; even obscure ones. HR depts hire these companies that break out the digital proctoscope, and they do things like find your social media accounts. Also, if you piss someone off, they can rat yo…

Being upfront won’t do you any favours.

there is no universal technique. you should try to be up front. you don't want things to be discovered later that will walk you out. but if being up front makes them pass on you, just what is the option?

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

#134
post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can easily demonstrate to yourself that they do. And the situation here is that felon_in_texas visits HN in his usual manner, views a topic he wants to comment on, creates an account on the spot, and leaves his comment. How noisy do you think the IP identification can be?

> You can easily demonstrate to yourself that they do. How?

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Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

#135
post #23

I don't have much helpful to add, but I had a colleague who had a bad night, acquired some felony charges for a firearm-related assault and they got fired/blacklisted for a few years. Subsequently, they did IT contract work behind the scenes with small contractors, kept in touch with his professional network, was super helpful to the rest of us, and after serious concerns and much debate, got back into his prior care…

> I had a colleague who had a bad night, acquired some felony charges for a firearm-related assault

That’s one hell of a bad night.

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

#136
post #49

Nov’22 is very recent, and won’t be your experience forever. It’s been a little over 20 years for me. Now, I get background checked every year. It doesn’t show. Initially I worked in food service and on phpfreelancer. I spun that into consistent consulting work until a client offered a full time position (less than 15 people, no background checks). As the years rolled by, I kept moving around. Eventually I tried at a…

> [edit: after reading felonintexas let me update this. If someone point blank asks, tell them. Don’t volunteer this information. There is nothing to be gained]

My Fraternity's cook, when I was in college, was a former fellon. He worked for us for a few years before he told me about his background.

I don't remember the details, but we had a conversation where he mentioned he had experience in IT. Eventually he very briefly mentioned some high level details about his criminal record when the conversation drifted around "so if you were making big bucks, why are you now cooking for us?"

I personally appreciate that he warned me about the consequences of the super-illegal (but "grey morality") thing he did. But, I must agree, it's best to keep things like a record quiet as long as possible.

I don't know if other fraternity brothers knew about his background. It seems like the kind of thing that would be kept quiet until someone started veering into the super-illegal (but "grey morality") area that got our cook in trouble.

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

#137

(Throw away account for obvious reasons) I experienced this. Due to various undiagnosed mental health issues I ended up with a serious record in the UK - a total of 15 charges, all computer related. Due to the clear lack of malicious intent I didn't serve any time, but did get shackled with: 12 months suspended for 12 months; 10 years on the sex offenders register; 7 years sexual harm prevention order; and 5 years of…

> Due to the clear lack of malicious intent I didn't serve any time, but did get shackled with: 12 months suspended for 12 months; 10 years on the sex offenders register; 7 years sexual harm prevention order; and 5 years of something else I can't remember. What did you actually do, and what did they get you for? > 5 years of something else I can't remember. Just speaking for myself, I feel like I'd remember something…

I'm okay not knowing the details. I'm not reacting to you or the parent here. I'm just weary of society being compulsively hostile toward redemption. Let the past be there.

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

#138
post #78

Start an LLC if allowed in your state. Work under the LLC or work as a 1099. Less chance of employers looking you up if not a W2 employee. Select small companies to work for, or even work for yourself. My wife had a misdemeanor that was eventually expunged and this seems to work.

I think you're missing just how nosy people are these days. If you have a name and it traces back to your case (like mine) then that kind of obfuscation is just not going to work. It hasn't yet.

Worked for my wife less than 10 years ago. Just saying.

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

#139

This is a "throwaway" account for obvious reasons. I did some terrible things when I was 19 that I won't go into details, but after working as a developer for a few years, served a six-year sentence from 2003-2009. Upon release, I leveraged some old contacts to get a bit of contracting work. In time I found more contracting work, mostly working for smaller companies on a 1099 basis. (direct, not through a firm) In ti…

> This is a "throwaway" account for obvious reasons. You should know that if you also have a non-throwaway account, HN will unify your accounts in their backend records.

It’s fine to have multiple accounts on HN as long as you use them with good judgment. I do. I have spoken with DanG about this before and he seemed fine with it.

Yes, you should assume that the moderators will know, and you should be fine with them knowing, because you’re not using the multiple accounts to escape moderation, but rather for greater anonymity in the comment thread.

The rules that I follow, which I think are implicit in “use good judgment”:

1. Don’t vote on the same thing from multiple accounts.

2. Don’t participate in the same comment thread with multiple accounts (or if you do, only separate parts of the thread). Don’t create a fake impression of consensus or have your accounts interact with each other.

Those are probably the two big ones I would imagine.

Whether the accounts are actually tied together on the backend, I don’t know. I would suspect that they are not automatically linked, but could probably be linked if the moderators are investigating you for bad behavior (like voting on the same thing with multiple accounts).

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

#140
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'The industry is still stuck in a "no one knows what to do about this problem"' It's not that nobody knows - nobody cares. The lawyers will always advocate for not hiring anyone "risky". Be that criminal convictions, dismissed charges, or people with disabilities.

Sure but there are laws designed to prevent how far back they are able to look to find thaat information. And the laws aren't even being followed-- the lawyers should be telling them to follow them ... and yet.

Yeah, and there are laws about not discriminating against people with disabilities and they aren't being followed.
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