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Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

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Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

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I made the jump 8 years and 3 days ago. (In fact, I wrote books about it https://www.amazon.com/Escape-City-1-Travis-Corcoran/dp/B093... and https://www.amazon.com/Escape-City-2-Travis-Corcoran/dp/B093... ). My first two years were full of buyer's remorse. I didn't enjoy it nearly as much as I had expected, the work was very hard, I felt incompetent, I missed my friends back in the metropolitan area, and I missed out…

I have your books on my shelf, very helpful. Thank you for writing them.

Thank you! So kind of you to take the time to say so!

Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

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I've always said, the only people who think farming for a living sounds fun have obviously never farmed. It is more tenable if you have income sources so you aren't depending on farming for your dinner. If you are independent wealthy and can pay others to do all the farming for you, you aren't a farmer, you merely own a farm. It is a tough life. The best part is the half days, just pick any 12 hours you want to work!

I'm not disagreeing, but having worked for 20+ years now as a web dev, and also on and off on farms (parents, relations, neighbours, friends, and 30 acres behind my house), I'd move to a farming job that offered the same income in a heartbeat, no questions asked. There is something much more comforting about having worked yourself to physical tiredness and a feeling of having accomplished "something useful" instead o…

where are you going to get a farming job that pays the same as tech without also feeding the corporate beast?

Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

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Yes, it sucks. But the work is wholesome and you can listen to any podcast or audiobook you want when you're mending fences or mucking out stalls. Modernity has its perks, even on the homestead.

> I can't help feel frustrated

In 15 years when Ghawar is solidly declining, and the US shale miracle has long since peaked, and EV market penetration is still less than 10% - when the world finally wakes up to how bad our energy situation is, you'll be happy to be providing for yourself.

> when I watch my friends in the city enjoy all of the comforts it offers

Watch their instagram feeds in 10-15 years. Relish in their food riots and daily rolling brownouts while you post your pastured pork belly and egg breakfasts and 80kWh of off-grid energy collection and storage.

It's a hard life, but it will be worth it in the end.

Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

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I think you might be missing a lot of the amenities of modern towns/cities. Let’s ignore energy and internet/cell service. * You’ll want to live close to a grocery store. * You’ll want to live close to doctors —- not only hospitals and ambulances but also any specialist you or someone in your family mind need. * You’ll want access to tradesmen/craftsmen. Plumbers, auto mechanics, carpenters, electricians. Things brea…

This exactly. The level of austerity that comes with traditional homesteading can be shocking to most Americans.

There's a reason kids sold their parents farms to Monsanto and moved into the city.

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Something I've noticed among the "successful" youtube homesteaders is that they almost all invariably have property "in the city" that they rent out (generally unseen, usually unspoken, and always off camera) for significant passive income and treat homesteading like a virtuous hobby. Many of them also have side hustles like giving paid talks on homesteading, renting out "farm experiences", or offering classes on var…

> Something I've noticed among the "successful" youtube homesteaders is that they almost all invariably have property "in the city" that they rent out (generally unseen, usually unspoken, and always off camera) for significant passive income and treat homesteading like a virtuous hobby. Another thing is that the most successful ones are making a bunch of money from their YouTube channels. So how self-sufficient can t…

there are two ways to make money in farming, write a book or scale to thousands of acres.

Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

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As someone who grew up on a small farm I have absolutely no interest. It is hard work, all the time, for very little gain. Most small farms barely break even or lose money. You have to love the work. A lot of people do. It is not for me. Now, do I enjoy nature and want to live away from the city? Yes, yes I do, but I don’t need to homestead to do that.

I feel more or less the same I think. However, if the income was the same as with a tech job, I'd go back to it in a heartbeat. Sitting on my ass all day in front of a screen is soul destroying in many ways - I'd much rather be out doing something in the garden :)

Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not disagreeing, but having worked for 20+ years now as a web dev, and also on and off on farms (parents, relations, neighbours, friends, and 30 acres behind my house), I'd move to a farming job that offered the same income in a heartbeat, no questions asked. There is something much more comforting about having worked yourself to physical tiredness and a feeling of having accomplished "something useful" instead o…

where are you going to get a farming job that pays the same as tech without also feeding the corporate beast?

perhaps if agriculture and food generation was priced more in line with its value to humanity, rather than along the lines of cheapest product wins, there would be more feasible careers in homesteading, simpler lives and farming.

but in a world where NFT based companies are claiming to be worth billions what hope is there of that? :)

Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

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I had the pleasure of living on a farm, while freelancing, where my girlfriend was a cheesemaker.

The farm was amazing: hundreds of well cared-for cows, sheep, and goats. An education program that brought kids around. Rolling hills and a vegetable garden we could not harvest fast enough. A stream we could swim in just outside the backyard.

Working there was hell. Twelve hour days, low pay, no benefits, always covered in shit, piss, blood and every other excrement imaginable. The farm staff turned over every two years, as young people chased the romance of farm work and then spun off, back to a job and a city.

A few of the workers I keep tabs on actually went off to start their own farms. But each of them has a partner with a real job and steady income.

Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

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I grew up on a "hobby homestead", moved there when (as babe-in-arms) my folks faced a massive snowstorm that threatened to cut off natural gas supply, clarifying how utterly dependent they were on the grid/system. Big garden, orchard, wood heat, backup supplies, etc. It was all well-balanced with modern living.

When the "Y2K Bug" was looming, I explained the worst-case possible scenario to Dad (an electrical engineer) regarding worldwide computer system collapse. He listened attentively, understood, and responded "then I'll throw another log on the fire and go back to my book." That's how prepared they were.

The key is embracing homesteading, to whatever degree you choose to take it, as a lifestyle. It's not a hobby. It's not a job. It's what you do, blended with and influencing everything else, 24/7.

I now live in the suburbs, with a bit of forest. Having grown up homesteading, it still influences my thinking, and I'd rather return thereto. Though enjoying modern conveniences & luxuries, everything has an undercurrent of considering "one step simpler". I lament my kids not having the same upbringing, and do try to expose them at least a bit to living off the land.

Analogy: coffee. I have about 20 coffee makers, and several coffee shops nearby. Yes it's nice to pick up a cup (black, dark) for ~$2.50 ready to go. Yes it's nice having pod machines, ~$0.50 for "insert pod, press Go". Yes, I've tried every convenience for coffee. What I normally do, with no angst/struggle regarding the work and convenience of alternatives, is roast the beans myself in small batches, hand-grind, and do a hybrid press/pour-over - nearly every time, for years, despite the time and effort, it's just what I do.

Do realize that your friends are beholden to a system which can collapse, fast and completely. It probably won't ... but the probability isn't zero, isn't trivial, and historically we're rather due for another one. You don't want to spend your life preparing for a worst that doesn't happen, but you certainly can live such that societal problems don't tear you down. You can be ready and financially/socially robust; you just have to decide where your sweet spot in life is, regardless of what 'more' others have (and pay for by 'less' elsewhere).

The hard way isn't for everyone. You either internalize it as simply what you do, regardless of what others enjoy, or you move on to what it is you do, realistically, want to do. You do you, and be realistic about circumstances.

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