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Ask HN: Why is machine learning easier to learn than basic social skills?

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Re: Ask HN: Why is machine learning easier to learn than basic social skills?

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Saying "someone is just born with it" is called a fixed mindset approach[1]. It sets you up for failure. I used to be hideous with talking to people, but I worked at it and, most importantly, _believed that I could improve_. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindset#Fixed_and_growth_minds...

I agree with the importance of avoiding a fixed mindset, but, recognizing that some people are born with a skill and you are not does not mean that you can't become adapt at said skill (I went through something similar with math, although I still feel like I lost my fear of math rather than becoming really good at it)... Or find your own "way of the ninja" (sorry too much Naruto, thinking of Rock Lee ;) [0]) [0] http…

To take this a step further, we cannot control the regulation of our neurotransmitters to the degree of giving a person with autism social skills. That's just not how things work, so in a way it IS a bit fixed. We are fixed to the range of what we are born with, unless we use some sort of pharmacological intervention.

When it comes to autism and social skills, some interesting treatments may come from mu-opioid receptor agonists and antagonists

Re: Ask HN: Why is machine learning easier to learn than basic social skills?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with the importance of avoiding a fixed mindset, but, recognizing that some people are born with a skill and you are not does not mean that you can't become adapt at said skill (I went through something similar with math, although I still feel like I lost my fear of math rather than becoming really good at it)... Or find your own "way of the ninja" (sorry too much Naruto, thinking of Rock Lee ;) [0]) [0] http…

To take this a step further, we cannot control the regulation of our neurotransmitters to the degree of giving a person with autism social skills. That's just not how things work, so in a way it IS a bit fixed. We are fixed to the range of what we are born with, unless we use some sort of pharmacological intervention. When it comes to autism and social skills, some interesting treatments may come from mu-opioid recep…

Just to add a note:

Mu-opioid receptor activity is one piece of the regulation for how rewarding tasks are, this includes the reward for socialization

Re: Ask HN: Why is machine learning easier to learn than basic social skills?

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Depending upon how your brain works, i.e. if you're neurodivergent, you may find value in understanding how your brain processes with respect to neurotypicals.

I found value in https://www.amazon.com/dp/1849059276?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2_dt_b_....

Re: Ask HN: Why is machine learning easier to learn than basic social skills?

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In my experience the key to social interaction is the ability and willingness to focus on how the other person might feel about what is happening right now. Or to put it another way, putting yourself in the other person's shoes. To be an expert is to even listen to your own words as you say them and make a judgement about what others are hearing. It helps to have an encyclopedia like memory of the circumstances and e…

For more, read the all time classic: How to Win Friends and Influence People. The answer is basically: Be genuinely interested in people and they will like you.

The book is a bit dated, but it really has some good nuggets in there. My biggest take-away is that people really only want to talk about themselves (and being genuinely interested is a great way to get them to talk).

There was a story in the book about a guy who went to a dinner party and sat next to some other lady and let her talk. When asked about the guy the next day, she said he was the most interesting person she ever met - and he never told her anything about himself, just let her talk about herself.

I had a similar experience. I spent a few years in a more social setting with normies (not tech folks). It wasn't this, but think of a gym trainer who works with people in small groups. That is, it isn't 1:1, but it's small and personal, and you see mostly the same folks regularly. It was super challenging for me, a tech nerd introvert who has a hard time carrying on a conversation. But I really am genuinely interested in people, and that really helped.

When I met someone, I'd always ask what they do or something like that. And no matter what someone says, I always have a question about some detail of their job that 1) I'm genuinely interested in and 2) no one ever would think to ask about. People just light up when you ask a question like that. There was a truck driver who came in, and I asked how the shifting works in a big rig (yes, there are you tube videos that will show you that, but talking to someone about it is more interesting). There was a nurse and I asked how she managed visiting a ton of patients over a shift. If a tech nerd came in, I had enough back ground to ask a technical question, not the typical boring stuff that other people ask. The key is to find something that I was interested in (easy for me) that related to a detail of their life. People love to talk about themselves. Don't pepper them with questions like it's an interrogation, just try to learn about them.

I once heard someone talking about me outside of the group about how "smart" I was because I could talk to anyone about anything. That's not true, I let them talk and I just learned about their life. It just gave the impression that I knew a lot (like the guy at the dinner party who was "interesting"). I'm no longer in that job anymore, but I still hang out with many of the clients as real friends now because of the connections we made.

I think the other part of this is to consciously not talk about yourself. Since you're a human, you will really want to talk about yourself (just like everyone you meet!) and if you don't curtail it you will talk too much and not let them talk. But if you think about not talking about yourself, you'll just let enough slip that it won't feel one-sided. That is, if it feels two-way to you, it's probably more one-way you talking to them too much. But if it feels like you're not contributing much, then it will feel like a real two-way conversation to someone else. This doesn't mean be awkwardly silent or avoid talking or answering any of their questions, that would come off as weird. Just try to feel like you're not saying much, it will feel like the right amount to the other person.

Sorry for the long post, I just identified with how you're feeling and I had a situation that turned it around for me, and I figured comment.

1) be genuinely interested in people 2) let them talk about about themselves

Re: Ask HN: Why is machine learning easier to learn than basic social skills?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with the importance of avoiding a fixed mindset, but, recognizing that some people are born with a skill and you are not does not mean that you can't become adapt at said skill (I went through something similar with math, although I still feel like I lost my fear of math rather than becoming really good at it)... Or find your own "way of the ninja" (sorry too much Naruto, thinking of Rock Lee ;) [0]) [0] http…

To take this a step further, we cannot control the regulation of our neurotransmitters to the degree of giving a person with autism social skills. That's just not how things work, so in a way it IS a bit fixed. We are fixed to the range of what we are born with, unless we use some sort of pharmacological intervention. When it comes to autism and social skills, some interesting treatments may come from mu-opioid recep…

Perhaps there are limits indeed, but when will you reach those hard limits? Or is it just hard to push those limits? I'd say the latter.

Re: Ask HN: Why is machine learning easier to learn than basic social skills?

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At least for me, most of the answers here lack understanding of what is the core of the issue (if you call it "issue" at all). We skip learning many things we are not interested in. Or when we have subtle negative feelings about situations we encounter in there. If you have these, maybe it's worth finding the exact reason why. The reason may be very simple and very revelaling at the same time. If you don't, you're probably just not interested in humans, which is okay. It may close some doors though, but if you have a goal behind them, it will be a motivating factor. Methods are just that - methods. Nothing happens without motivation, and mostly nothing happens in the light of demotivation. Identify the former, then identify the latter.

Re: Ask HN: Why is machine learning easier to learn than basic social skills?

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None of the answers I see writes about the main currency of social people: looks. Go to the gym and get to the top 50 percentile of people there (be able to do 15 pull ups, 40 push ups). When you get older this will get much harder, so use your youth to maximize your genetic potential. It will be boring, but most people do boring stuff all their lives. There are of course other aspects of looks as well, try to get in…

When you get older, it's recommended to do not more than 20 pushups. It's bad for your rotator cuffs. However, you can protect them with shoulder, upper arm and back muscle exercises.

I'm doing about 15 diamond pushups at an age of 39, and I feel more my wrists than my shoulders. I'm doing it slowly and carefully, but to tell you the truth I'm too lazy for warmups, I'll have to do that more.
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