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Ask HN: Has any progress been made on large format E-ink displays?

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Re: Ask HN: Has any progress been made on large format E-ink displays?

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Post by PaulStatezny »

blurbleblurble wrote: post #2

I'm using the Dasung Paperlike HD and I really like it for writing code. 13 inches, but it's real nice. I imagine in 5-10 years or so, we'll see what you're imagining.

Could you share about the refresh rate and how it impacts you when programming? Is it at all an obstacle, at least at first?

Also, can you share more about the resolution?

This timing is superb; I'm this very week considering purchasing a Pro-F (1600x1200) from Dasung, which has faster refresh but lower resolution. Also a few hundred $$ cheaper. Really curious if you think the lower resolution will be a bummer, or if the higher frame rate will be unnecessary.

Re: Ask HN: Has any progress been made on large format E-ink displays?

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Post by carstenhag »

Operyl wrote: post #111
luka-birsa wrote: post #110

Large format E-ink displays are currently used primarily in digital signage scenarios (outdoor advertising, passenger information systems,...) - examples are Soofa ( http://www.soofa.co/ ) and Mercury Innovation ( https://www.mercuryinnovation.com.au/digital-bus-stop ). The largest size currently available is 42" and it is used in outdoor and indoor scenarios. Indoor use is for education purposes as a digital whitebo…

What a cool product for meeting rooms! But .. and maybe I'm just not the target audience, there's no way in any universe am I paying 250 bucks for a "do not disturb sign" in my house. That's just way too expensive.

Same here. My girlfriend just listens whether I'm talking to someone or not. If it's unclear, she taps on the door.

With kids I bet it's more difficult, but I don't think this technological solution can solve a human/social problem.

Re: Ask HN: Has any progress been made on large format E-ink displays?

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Post by fastball »

baq wrote: post #107
frosted-flakes wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is trivial to convert DRM'd Kindle e-books you own into epub or other formats. Check out Calibre and the Apprentice Alf plugin. https://calibre-ebook.com/ https://apprenticealf.wordpress.com/

has something changed? it used to be easy but looks like there's a per-device encryption support in new kindles.

You just need an older version of the Kindle desktop app that doesn't support the newer (uncracked) DRM. Then you just download the books you've purchased in the app, load them into Calibre, and De-DRM them.

Re: Ask HN: Has any progress been made on large format E-ink displays?

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Post by PatentlyDC123 »

ipsum2 wrote: post #8

Have you looked at https://remarkable.com/ ? It's a little smaller, 12" diagonal. Dasung sells a 13.3" e-ink monitor: https://www.amazon.com/Dasung-Paperlike-13-3-E-Ink-Monitor/d...

The Boox Max 3 seems to be a better option for the OP. [0]. It has a 13.3" screen, runs Android, and also functions as a monitor for your computer. The refresh rate doesn't seem to be the best, but it looks like a pretty good solution given what is out there so far. I've been looking at it for a while, but I haven't bought one yet. I would love to hear opinions by people who have one. [0] - https://www.boox.com/max3-3/

Re: Ask HN: Has any progress been made on large format E-ink displays?

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Post by blurbleblurble »

PaulStatezny wrote: post #130
blurbleblurble wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pros: it's super light, works outside, runs off of USB power, feels good on the eyes, has a high resolution and a very decent refresh rate. Convenient contrast buttons on the front and a quick clear button. It's VEGA mountable. But I got a lead weight so it's heavy enough for my adjustable monitor stand. Quirks: Expect ghosting. You'll have to press the "clear" button if the only thing moving on the screen is the mou…

Thank you so much for the detail. Could you expand on the "easier on the eyes" part? What did your eyes feel like at the end of a work day before acquiring this monitor versus now?

I was just having trouble focusing on the screen. My eyes would drift out of focus. It was physically uncomfortable to force my eyes to focus. So I wouldn't. But for my work I would feel like I had to at least try.

For context, I had been going through some burnout. So some part of this was probably psychological. But I would look at the screen and just feel overstimulated. Like my brain wouldn't let my eyes focus on that bright little rectangle any more.

This thing is just much more gentle to look at.

The sense of physical relief is very similar to the sense of relief you'd feel when moving from a bright screen with no blue light filter to a nice warm screen.

(Assuming you have comfortable lighting in your environment, of course.)

You can try this at home:

1. Stare at a page of a book

2. Stare at a light bulb while it's turned on (just kidding don't actually do it it's not worth it)

Which one would you rather do for 8 hours a day? I don't blame you if you say "neither one".

Re: Ask HN: Has any progress been made on large format E-ink displays?

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Post by fastball »

e12e wrote: post #112
baq wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

has something changed? it used to be easy but looks like there's a per-device encryption support in new kindles.

AFAIK drm version 3 still isn't cracked, but there's some epubs without drm, and most with drm is possible to get with older drm for backwards compatability reasons. I'm not sure what the status of drm circumvention for fair/own use is in the US - I think there was a case that opened up for viewing/backing up dvds, but if not - this is still illegal, which partly defeats the purpose of buying through Amazon.

I think as long as there is no copyright infringement involved (i.e. as long as you don't redistribute it) it's ok. IANAL.

Re: Ask HN: Has any progress been made on large format E-ink displays?

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Post by crimsonalucard »

SequoiaHope wrote: post #79
lolryan wrote: post #54

The technology is there, but E Ink (the company) is steadfastly refusing to lower prices because they believe there's a market for this. Now go to Alibaba and find that you can get a flexible, full-color OLED sheet for the same price as a given size E Ink panel. Go on eBay and buy an older NOOK device (they all ran Android) for $20, tape it to your wall, and point at your web page of choice.

A great example of patents strangling innovation. If anyone has more concrete details on the way this company is holding back this technology I’d love to read details. Thanks!

I don't think the answer is that simple. Would the initial innovation even be worth pursuing if not the existence of patents? Hard to say. At the very lease we do know that in a decade there's no more strangleholds.
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