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I am still waiting for cryptocurrency or Paypal support. Stripe is not supported in my country.
We looked at cryptocurrency very closely. Basically, money laundering laws and slow adoption of crypto among businesses make it really hard to get adoption among clients: https://www.moonlightwork.com/blog/cryptocurrency-and-compan... I have a moral opposition to Paypal after using it personally, but we are looking at solutions such as Payoneer to expand country support! It's worth pointing out that you can incorpora…
Ask HN: How to become a remote contractor?
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#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
So lie, cheat, and steal, basically. You sound like the type who makes contracting and consulting so much harder for everyone else, because you exploit your clients ignorance and trust for your own personal gain. Ironically, you'd make a lot more in the long run if you had a more long-term outlook instead of being so transactional.
I don't force them to make any decision. How am I exploiting them? Most people end up with less money, not because they lack skill but because they've not used their skill at the right place at right time. Buffet advise doesn't work for everyone.
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Upwork makes you jump through code challenge hoops and competes you against people in countries where $1/hr is kingly. Doesn't exactly engender loyalty.
From another perspective, upwork gives people in low-incinr countries a chance to work for companies in high-income countries without winning a lottery and leaving their families behind. Therefore upwork directly improves equality of opportunity in the world.
I can only hope the transfer of wealth accomplishes some greater flourishing of human rights across the world as well.
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
So lie, cheat, and steal, basically. You sound like the type who makes contracting and consulting so much harder for everyone else, because you exploit your clients ignorance and trust for your own personal gain. Ironically, you'd make a lot more in the long run if you had a more long-term outlook instead of being so transactional.
I don't force them to make any decision. How am I exploiting them? Most people end up with less money, not because they lack skill but because they've not used their skill at the right place at right time. Buffet advise doesn't work for everyone.
You're entering into an agreement in bad faith, intending to alter the terms of the agreement once they're more committed and at a disadvantage.
Additionally, you're blatantly lying about your skill level, how long something will take, and the state of the market, in the hopes that you can find a sucker every now and then who will believe you.
This is fraud, pure and simple.
Imagine you hire a contractor to remodel your bathroom for $10k. As soon as they demo the bathroom, they lie and say they found a bunch of unexpected issues that will cost $50k to fix, and that anyone else who knows what they're doing will cost at least $100k, when the reality is that anyone honest would be able to just do the original job for $10k.
Sure, many people see through this ruse and will tell them to get lost and hire someone else (or at least get more bids), but some won't, and that's what the bottom-feeders who pull this shit are counting on.
Most people end up with less money, not because they lack skill but because they've not used their skill at the right place at right time.
Of course, and I regularly advise freelancers and contractors to charge more and to charge for value, not for time.
But that's distinct from lying to your clients and finding ways to put them in disadvantageous positions where you can exploit them. That's short-term scammer thinking.
For the record, I regularly make an effective hourly rate of more than $500 / hr, although I never charge hourly.
Here's the ethical win-win way to get to the same (or better result) vs. what you're doing:
1. First, establish some expertise and credibility in a particular space. You don't have to be the best in the world, but you need some results to show how you can solve a client's business problems in a particular area. The more expensive / valuable those problems are, the better.
2. Find clients who have that problem and give them a quote based on the value that you're adding, not the time that you're investing.
3. Over time, you can optimize, outsource, automate, and eliminate the work that you need to do in order to deliver that value, while simultaneously charging more as your expertise and credibility grows. This drives your effective hourly rate up on two factors.
The end result is that you can get a client who will hire you for $50k to do something worth $250k to them that will take you 100 hours ($500 / hr effective) and at the end, you'll both walk away happy, increasing the likelihood that you'll work together again in the future.
It's more work, but pays off better in the long run. Plus the side benefit of making you seem and feel like less of a scummy fraudster.
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cut the chase and just show up with a gun next time. You are not building sustainable relations. Quite the opposite.
Both of you guys are posting from your real accounts a politically correct statement but you guys have showed no evidence that your method is really the superior one. People at exon, large banking companies, stock brokers can make promises and a consultant/contractor can't change his mind? No body cares about building sustainable business, most just want enough cash to retire peacefully.
Nor have you. Feel free to post your results and the amazing, rich, fulfilling lifestyle you've built for yourself.
It's telling that you had to post this from a throwaway. I don't blame you; I certainly wouldn't want my clients knowing I was defrauding them the way that you are.
I'm actually skeptical that you've even gotten this to work to any degree. I'm sure you've fooled a few people, but the jump to $500/hr is so huge and transparently exploitative that only the most naive of clients would be fooled. My guess is that you're struggling to make this work but you think it's the only way, which is sad.
People at exon, large banking companies, stock brokers can make promises and a consultant/contractor can't change his mind?
Unclear on what you're trying to say here, but the bottom line is that you're not changing your mind. You're lying to the client upfront so you can exploit them later.
No body cares about building sustainable business, most just want enough cash to retire peacefully.
Not true at all, and it's sad that you see the world this way, as a battle between success and ethics. Many (but not all) of the most successful people I know have a very high standard of integrity for themselves and others. None of them engage in the kind of fraud that you're espousing.
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#136It's funny how with all the job sites and modern tools we still live in the world where employees and employers can't find each other. I'm the CEO of a US based startup, but we're hiring everywhere. We actually have a few digital nomads at the company. Somehow we still have troubles finding more talent. There are a few job boards dedicated to digital nomads, but the volume there is surprisingly low.
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> Recruiters suffer from the fact that they are salespeople ... reminds me of the real estate agent trick of posting a listing for a home that's too good to be true. when a potential buyer calls that agent, the agent says the home is no longer available, but asks "are you currently working with an agent?"
God I've had people do that to me with dogs . No, I will not be conversing with you further about spending $1000 more on a dog I don't at all want.
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Mind sharing a link to your blog (if it's still active)? Thanks :)
> Mind sharing a link to your blog (if it's still active)? Thanks :) It seems to be there: https://www.brentozar.com/blog/ Bam. Inbound marketing seems to go well, a HNer just linked to the blog by inspecting the HN profile the consultant put on HN ... ;)
Re: Ask HN: How to become a remote contractor?
#139I'm a digital nomad who as in the same position. I couldn't find contract work for high-skill engineers. So, I started building a marketplace for it. Today that's Moonlight - we are still small, bootstrapped, and growing, but we have companies ranging from startups to a publicly-traded company hiring through the site. Hourly rates average a little over $100US. https://www.moonlightwork.com
Signing up, to give it a try. I've got a FT day job but have been wanting to try to crack the nut of how to land a contracting position on the side for a while now.
Re: Ask HN: How to become a remote contractor?
#140I've quit my day job in 2012, found a contract with a great client on Upwork (forget how it was called at the time). Initially a 6 months project, I've worked with them for 2 years. Got a few other contracts off that site, until one day I've asked one of my main clients to move out of that platform and work with me directly. Worked with them 2 years, until I got an offer in January to become a full time technical dir…
But for a new contractor what to charge seems to be the struggle. I exited contracting when the .com bubble burst. These days I'd want to charge double my previous rate, possibly more.