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Russia is European culturally not geographically.
So what continent is Moscow in?
Europe and Asia, so Eurasia?
Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?
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#132there goes booking.com ruining the std deviation in Amsterdam again! :)
There is expedia in London with the same business.
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#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most of Russia's population also in Europe. What do you care about then? Exceptionalism?
Most of Russian population insists they want nothing to do with Europe or European values - all of them. Does landmass outweighs their opinion for you?
> Most of Russian population insists they want nothing to do with Europe or European values
That's irrelevant.
We're talking about continents, not political and cultural leanings.
> Does landmass outweighs their opinion for you
Yes. Continental boundaries are well defined.
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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but while salaries are high and taxes are relatively low, general living costs are quite high. Particularly if you have kids and so want a bigger house and good schools. I've looked at this and the benefits we get from staying in Germany outweigh the extra income earned.
Do your own cost of living estimate. Last year my Junior Software Developer (with ETH Masters) balance sheet looked as follows : Income:8650 Taxes :1640 (income, social etc. ) Food/Drink/Dates: 1560 HealthInsurrance : 346 Rent : 1640 (2 rooms 64sqm) downtown nice part of town Other : 400 So i end up saving 3k per month But i don't have kids that would be >2.5k per kind for daycare.
Do you speak German?
I found Zurich difficult when not speaking the language.
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#135Switzerland, Zurich is the only place in Europe where you can earn Bay Area salaries; I am a software engineer/tech recruiter hiring on behalf of a handful of Swiss companies. If you look for a job ( https://coderfit.com/openedjobs/ ), or know some engineeres who are, please reach out to me. You find my email in my HN-handle. (From an employee's perspective, Switzerland can be counted "as an EU country" since you can…
I think Norway, Oslo absolutely can match or even pay slightly better than Zurich. An annual salary over 100K Euro for a senior software developer is not uncommon.
Salaries for senior developers in Zurich start at about 120K and go up to 170K or more.
Plus you hardly pay any taxes.
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#136In many EU countries, seasoned developers become fre lancers. Achieving higher revenue is impossible otherwise.
This is sad. I mean, I think that numbers that we see in Silicon Valley are ridiculous, but it seems to me that here in Europe this profession it is not recognized for the value it delivers.
I think it's less to do with recognition as much there just not being as much money in European businesses, particularly startups.
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#137I'm a US citizen working and living in Iceland.
That must be quite rare. Tell us a bit about how you ended up living in Iceland and how the IT industry is up there?
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Turkey is not in europe.
How so? Their CAPITAL, and decent chunk of territory are on the continent called Europe. a couple tens of millions citizens live there. Just counting those would put them in the first ten-ish most populous countries in Europe.
Did they move their capital? I thought Ankara was in Asia.
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#139Is there a way to save / export the table for sorting etc.?
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
you only paid 1640 in taxes out of an 8650 income?! that's crazy! even if we include the health insurance, it's still only 2k in taxes out of an 8650 income (less than 25%) a lot of countries in europe will tax you 40% for that income...
Usually European taxes are complicated. I make 44k a year but I get about 33k on my bank account each year. This is because even though we have a 33% and 40% rate there are also numerous tax-cuts in place. Ie: in NL you can deduct your entire mortgage rate interest from your gross income. This basically means you get a 40% discount on your mortgage. And there are numerous more.
If you are single and renting, you don't get deductions and if you are having family then probably it is not worth moving anyway. Even less if you already have mortgage somewhere else than NL. So I do not feel it is useful to compare different countries. Unless for single people renting flats who could move quite easily.