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Re: Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

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Post by armandososa »

mrcabada wrote: post #36
kzisme wrote: post #27

I'm not sure why people consistently get hung up on getting accepted at one of the "Big Five" "I tried to look for a job out of my city, but no luck, I don’t know what’s the deal with coding interviews, but I bet they don’t work good. I’ve been rejected from" ... Google Facebook Magic Uber Holagus (Mexican startup) I'm not sure what draws everyone to places like this when there are ~many~ other companies. Also does t…

I'm mexican, is not that easy to get a working Visa. Is a bit easier to get working Visas in big companies, that's the main reason why.

Where do you live? I would recommend looking at startups in GDL. Also, I wrote a longer reply in the main thread.

Re: Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

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Post by sanswork »

heretoo wrote: post #72

Ignore the comments "you're not good". I'm pretty impressed by you're output. If you haven't got code up on github, perhaps consider putting some there. It will help you to finding a job. As for getting work. You just need any work that you can put on your resume that shows "commercial experience", rather than raw coding ability. Have you considered Australia? We have a shortage of good coders, and it's not getting b…

>I've worked for one company that hired remotely out of Russia, and another that hired and sponsored foreigners, though you may need a degree to qualify for that, but I'm not certain.

457(sponsored) doesn't require a degree. Skilled worker visa does though.

Re: Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

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Post by emodendroket »

It seems to me like every company you've listed as applying to and having been rejected from is kind of top-tier elite companies, but there are lots of programming jobs outside of those. Maybe not your ideal, but may you should broaden your horizons.

Re: Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

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Post by armandososa »

iktwo wrote: post #50
mrcabada wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm mexican, is not that easy to get a working Visa. Is a bit easier to get working Visas in big companies, that's the main reason why.

Also mexican. Not sure what visa you are trying to get. But if you just want to work in USA it is very easy to get a visa if you are Mexican and you have a relevant degree. Look at TN Visa. You just need an offer letter. 3 close friends have done that and the process was very simple. https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/employment/nafta.h...

Not that easy. There are a limited quantity each year and the process is excruciatingly long. I was sponsored, had a company-sponsored lawyer helping me and I was rejected still.

I get depressed for, like, two years after that.

Re: Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

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Post by thesmallestcat »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #129
david927 wrote: post #45

Since you're asking, I will tell you what I would do, and what you will think is blasphemy: I would take your dad's offer. I would start working with him. I'm sure you're a very good coder; don't get me wrong. But despite what you'll hear, there are a lot of them out there. If you think you're the best programmer around, it just means you haven't looked very hard. Remember, software is never an end but always a means…

I am 26 and I gotta say I agree. I only just got my first real programming job. It took me knowing the right person, and they spoke to someone who got me hired before I knew it. So take your dads job, meet new people, network. People are fascinated by technology, and software development touches many many fields from law enforcement (forensics), to medical, all the way to farming, and many more. Your dad could even u…

You shouldn't need to network to get a job programming or to advance your career. It doesn't hurt, but it's unnecessary. That's at least half of the allure of this line of work.

Re: Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

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Post by dabockster »

thesmallestcat wrote: post #136
giancarlostoro wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am 26 and I gotta say I agree. I only just got my first real programming job. It took me knowing the right person, and they spoke to someone who got me hired before I knew it. So take your dads job, meet new people, network. People are fascinated by technology, and software development touches many many fields from law enforcement (forensics), to medical, all the way to farming, and many more. Your dad could even u…

You shouldn't need to network to get a job programming or to advance your career. It doesn't hurt, but it's unnecessary. That's at least half of the allure of this line of work.

You're right. It shouldn't be necessary to network that much. But it can be necessary if you live in an area that doesn't favor the kind of job market necessary for tech opportunities.

Re: Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

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Post by dabockster »

rustynails wrote: post #128
david927 wrote: post #45

Since you're asking, I will tell you what I would do, and what you will think is blasphemy: I would take your dad's offer. I would start working with him. I'm sure you're a very good coder; don't get me wrong. But despite what you'll hear, there are a lot of them out there. If you think you're the best programmer around, it just means you haven't looked very hard. Remember, software is never an end but always a means…

There are so many great response postings here that I don't know which one to praise the most. Maybe the one I'm replying to. You have a path forward. Take it, learn from it. When I was 10, I got into computers. You REALLY needed to be thick skinned back then as nobody got any support from anyone. If you expressed interest in computers, you were ostracised as a freak. I was bullied at school for it more times than I…

> You REALLY needed to be thick skinned back then as nobody got any support from anyone. If you expressed interest in computers, you were ostracised as a freak.

Reminds me of high school where I chose not to learn coding on the side since another kid almost got expelled for "hacking". Sometimes you have to really choose your battles.

Re: Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

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Post by sqeaky »

david927 wrote: post #45

Since you're asking, I will tell you what I would do, and what you will think is blasphemy: I would take your dad's offer. I would start working with him. I'm sure you're a very good coder; don't get me wrong. But despite what you'll hear, there are a lot of them out there. If you think you're the best programmer around, it just means you haven't looked very hard. Remember, software is never an end but always a means…

If someone pressured me into doing something I didn't want to do I would wind up running into the ground. Probably not on purpose, but simply because If I do not enjoy what I am doing I won't do it well because I will be distracted by things I do enjoy. I would be do busy optimizing some meaningless backroom server to care about sales reports and other important things.

I know that plenty of people aren't like that, but it is a real and possible outcome.

Re: Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

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Post by sqeaky »

mrcabada wrote: post #9
dsiegel2275 wrote: post #6

40 million lines of code is a lot of code to have written. Is this number exaggerated a bit? Exaggerated a lot? Just doing the math: to code that much in sixteen years (assuming a start of age 10) would require writing 6,800 LOC, every single day.

Yes, remove a 0 to that 40. Did the maths wrong. Fixed.

First impressions matter.

When people are talking about moving fast an breaking things it does not mean to move so fast as to skip quality. They mean they are delivering new goods and old services can be torn down (or something similar enough).

A half uploaded you could have taken 15 minutes to proofread is a clear indication that you are more focused with quantity than results. You then expect us to see you as automatically deserving of a high end tech job. Is it possible that you did something, anything to give anything less than a perfect first impression in interviews?

If you must code take some of your many lines of code and put them on github and use that as portfolio. This is a strong way to make a first impression. Don't tell people you wrote a bunch of code, show them how awesome your code is.

If I were you I try to land a job at company in your town writing software. Even if it is one of those ever so hated insurance company jobs. You will be held accountable and forced to deliver. You will earn money. You will get at least some perspective you haven't had yet.

Then you can try again at doing whatever you like with a little cash in your pocket and no one breathing down your neck.

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