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Re: Ask HN: what are examples of successful "open-source alternatives"?

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Examples I haven't seen mentioned yet: Firefox. Atom/VSCode (Sublime Text clones). Android (iOS clone). Various databases (postgres, mongodb, etc). Reddit (Digg alternative, since closed source) though I'm not sure releasing their source code had anything to do with their success. HashiCorp in general sort of counts though it's harder to say "it was competing against X".

Care to elaborate in what ways Firefox counts as successful? Maybe it had a brief period of success ( maybe ) but that was long ago.

Before the rise of Chrome, it hovered at 20-30% market share for many years. After the preceding period of IE dominance, I’d call that successful.

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Wait, has no one mentioned LibreOffice yet? 200 million active users (!) seems like it's successful enough. Admittedly, it hasn't really challenged Microsoft Office yet, but it's growing, and also it's hard to look at something with 200 million active users and say 'that's a failure'. Definitely an alternative though. There's also uBlock Origin, but I don't know if it's the largest adblocker yet. It should be, though…

Opening LibreCalc just once was enough to prove to me that it's not a viable alternative to Office. Both usability and performance were bad, performance egregiously so.

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How does it compare to MediaWiki, another very old and very extensive engine?

They are just different animals. Compared to MediaWiki, DokuWiki is "simpler" all around and more lightweight. Simpler in visual design, simpler in how data is stored, simpler in most regards. But in practical use, they are actually pretty close in many ways. DokuWiki is almost like a thoughtfully pared-down (from the start) MediaWiki-like wiki system. DokuWiki still sticks pretty closely to normative wiki convention…

* Obvious typo: "data of DokuWiki is arguably more immediately portable... There is no database to administrate in DokuWiki." should replace "data of MediaWiki is arguably more immediately portable...There is no database to administrate in DokuWiki."

Re: Ask HN: what are examples of successful "open-source alternatives"?

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Wait, has no one mentioned LibreOffice yet? 200 million active users (!) seems like it's successful enough. Admittedly, it hasn't really challenged Microsoft Office yet, but it's growing, and also it's hard to look at something with 200 million active users and say 'that's a failure'. Definitely an alternative though. There's also uBlock Origin, but I don't know if it's the largest adblocker yet. It should be, though…

Opening LibreCalc just once was enough to prove to me that it's not a viable alternative to Office. Both usability and performance were bad, performance egregiously so.

I don't know, I don't use spreadsheets a ton, but for my fairly casual usage Calc is good. I use Writer a lot, and it's great. When my largest complaint is "it doesn't have a font I like pre-installed", that says something about its quality.

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That's a fair point -- a reverse proxy setup may be outside the scope of the jellyfin project, but as others have pointed out they also provide an official docker image with a docker compose and other container management solutions. It just seems like a logical next step would be to outline instructions for a more secure setup using something "standard" like nginx instead of leaving it as an exercise to the user -- w…

> It just seems like a logical next step would be to outline instructions for a more secure setup using something "standard" like nginx instead of leaving it as an exercise to the user -- who may not be so tech savvy. Maybe this is what you're looking for: https://jellyfin.org/docs/general/networking/ Edit: On desktop, the sidebar is visible which includes links to instructions for Nginx, Caddy, Let's Encrypt, and so…

nice! I can't remember now if i used these docs -- i feel like i sort of fumbled through a solution though lol

Re: Ask HN: what are examples of successful "open-source alternatives"?

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I suppose I'm stretching the definition of SaaS here, but I'm going to say SSH (both client and daemon).

It was originally released as freeware, but after it was widely adopted in the mid 1990s, its creator made it proprietary and created a company called SSH Communications Security to sell it. After a series of security vulnerabilities in that commercial software, OpenBSD developers got fed up and created OpenSSH, and basically everyone migrated to that within a year.

Re: Ask HN: what are examples of successful "open-source alternatives"?

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Wait, has no one mentioned LibreOffice yet? 200 million active users (!) seems like it's successful enough. Admittedly, it hasn't really challenged Microsoft Office yet, but it's growing, and also it's hard to look at something with 200 million active users and say 'that's a failure'. Definitely an alternative though. There's also uBlock Origin, but I don't know if it's the largest adblocker yet. It should be, though…

Opening LibreCalc just once was enough to prove to me that it's not a viable alternative to Office. Both usability and performance were bad, performance egregiously so.

this sound really spoiled. I think if your first experience with this kind of software is librecalc you'd be perfectly fine with it.

Especially because you mention usability. Expectations are very important for perceived usability, but librecalc is a different program so at some level you will have to use it differently. If any of those differences touch on your workflow, you will be biased towards calling it unusable instead of attributing this to just not being used to the software.

Fact of the matter is that LibreOffice allows a user to do office tasks for free. You might have to do it differently, but if you get used to it, it will be perfectly usable.

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Opening LibreCalc just once was enough to prove to me that it's not a viable alternative to Office. Both usability and performance were bad, performance egregiously so.

this sound really spoiled. I think if your first experience with this kind of software is librecalc you'd be perfectly fine with it. Especially because you mention usability. Expectations are very important for perceived usability, but librecalc is a different program so at some level you will have to use it differently. If any of those differences touch on your workflow, you will be biased towards calling it unusabl…

> this sound really spoiled.

Spoiled in that I can afford to pay for office when I need it for a moneymaking business, sure I guess. But it is not being spoiled to judge an alternative by the same metrics as the incumbent, if it doesn't meet my requirements it doesn't matter whether it's paid or free.

> Expectations are very important for perceived usability,

I grant you that the UI is laid out differently and things are done in a different matter, which isn't intrinsically worse. But in this case I argue that it is.

For example, I have a set of x-y coordinates that I want to plot. I accidentally do not select all of them when creating the chart. Where do I now go in order to extend the selection?? Where do I go if I forgot to add the column headings to the selection? New users can certainly learn these things with enough head bashings, but it can certainly be more accessible.

Why does the UI seeming keep disabling my trackpad scrolling as I focus on chart elements versus the sheet as a whole? Why does it come to a glacial crawl when working with more than a few dozen points? Where is the option to disable snap-to-column/row when panning?

> perfectly usable

High praise. Though I agree with you. If you have different requirements, especially less of them, then I'm sure that you can do manage just fine without excel.

Re: Ask HN: what are examples of successful "open-source alternatives"?

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Wait, has no one mentioned LibreOffice yet? 200 million active users (!) seems like it's successful enough. Admittedly, it hasn't really challenged Microsoft Office yet, but it's growing, and also it's hard to look at something with 200 million active users and say 'that's a failure'. Definitely an alternative though. There's also uBlock Origin, but I don't know if it's the largest adblocker yet. It should be, though…

Opening LibreCalc just once was enough to prove to me that it's not a viable alternative to Office. Both usability and performance were bad, performance egregiously so.

I have the complete opposite experience. I use CSV files a lot, LibreCalc has a sane import dialog and handles these files near perfect by default. When working with Excel-users I always get a reply along the lines of „the file is weird, can you send me xls?“

And yes, I know that Excel opens CSV just fine. But it is not straightforward enough to explain it to a semi computer-literate office drone…

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