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Ask HN: To what extent have digital payments replaced cash in your country?

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Re: Ask HN: To what extent have digital payments replaced cash in your country?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or what if you don’t have a bank account?

If you live in the US, not participating in the banking system and not having a bank account is not a thing that you can do, except for religious reasons. From the moment you're born, you're on half a dozen companies' radars for credit reporting and scoring purposes, and most of the major purchases that you need to make to survive require a bank account with a good balance and a good credit score.

> If you live in the US, not participating in the banking system and not having a bank account is not a thing that you can do

Sure it is. Lots of people do. It's expensive, though.

Re: Ask HN: To what extent have digital payments replaced cash in your country?

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Here in India, UPI payments are quite popular. I live in New Delhi the capital and never withdraw cash in my day to day life. The only instance where I have to withdraw cash is when I have to pay rent as my landlord accepts only cash to evade taxes. Apart from these barring very few, at least in cities everything works on digital payments. Please note that card payments are not at all popular in India and UPI is the…

> Please note that cash payments are not at all popular in India and UPI is the most common means of digital payment. This is a very privileged (and personal) view. In terms of objective hard data, the percentage of Cash in Circulation to GDP (CIC/GDP) in India is about 12.7% which is about the same as 2005-2015 figures (12.1%), in fact it’s slightly higher. Essentially the ratio of cash in circulation to the total e…

It was a typo. What i meant is among digital payments, UPI is most popular and card payments are not all!

Re: Ask HN: To what extent have digital payments replaced cash in your country?

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Here in India, UPI payments are quite popular. I live in New Delhi the capital and never withdraw cash in my day to day life. The only instance where I have to withdraw cash is when I have to pay rent as my landlord accepts only cash to evade taxes. Apart from these barring very few, at least in cities everything works on digital payments. Please note that card payments are not at all popular in India and UPI is the…

> Please note that cash payments are not at all popular in India and UPI is the most common means of digital payment. This is false. https://www.orfonline.org/research/indias-upi-market/ (article from last month, citing the latest figures available to it.) "While India has recorded a significant increase in digital transactions, cash is still the dominant payment mechanism, with cash usage accounting for 59.3 percent…

It was a typo. What i meant is among digital payments, UPI is most popular and card payments are not all!

Re: Ask HN: To what extent have digital payments replaced cash in your country?

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Here in India, UPI payments are quite popular. I live in New Delhi the capital and never withdraw cash in my day to day life. The only instance where I have to withdraw cash is when I have to pay rent as my landlord accepts only cash to evade taxes. Apart from these barring very few, at least in cities everything works on digital payments. Please note that card payments are not at all popular in India and UPI is the…

India is really frustrating for tourists right now... I was there earlier this year, and there were several things I just couldn't do without UPI... Some restaurants just didn't accept cash so I couldn't eat there... Bus tickets had to be booked online with UPI... I think they're moving towards opening it up, but when I was there it was completely impossible for a foreigner to use UPI.

Now they have started an option for UPI for tourists!

Re: Ask HN: To what extent have digital payments replaced cash in your country?

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post #59

Here in India, UPI payments are quite popular. I live in New Delhi the capital and never withdraw cash in my day to day life. The only instance where I have to withdraw cash is when I have to pay rent as my landlord accepts only cash to evade taxes. Apart from these barring very few, at least in cities everything works on digital payments. Please note that card payments are not at all popular in India and UPI is the…

> Please note that cash payments are not at all popular in India and UPI is the most common means of digital payment. Delhi != India. Cash is still very popular in India and many shopkeepers groan when I ask them to show their QR code for payment.

It was a typo. What i meant is among digital payments, UPI is most popular and card payments are not all!

Re: Ask HN: To what extent have digital payments replaced cash in your country?

#126
post #59

Here in India, UPI payments are quite popular. I live in New Delhi the capital and never withdraw cash in my day to day life. The only instance where I have to withdraw cash is when I have to pay rent as my landlord accepts only cash to evade taxes. Apart from these barring very few, at least in cities everything works on digital payments. Please note that card payments are not at all popular in India and UPI is the…

> Please note that cash payments are not at all popular in India and UPI is the most common means of digital payment. Delhi != India. Cash is still very popular in India and many shopkeepers groan when I ask them to show their QR code for payment.

Also it is a way to evade taxes as per my observation!

Re: Ask HN: To what extent have digital payments replaced cash in your country?

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Denmark: Personally 100% Apple Pay or MobilePay (DK based system). I haven't even touched a Kroner bill or coin in over a year. It has the added benefit of I just take my phone everywhere I go. The ultimate slim wallet is no wallet!

And here in Copenhagen there are very very few panhandlers or buskers, but several of the ones I have seen will put their MobilePay number on a cardboard sign.

Re: Ask HN: To what extent have digital payments replaced cash in your country?

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post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would the bank leaking data cause trouble?

Your entire digital life could be stolen from you if someone knows your name, address, DOB, and last 4 digits on your card. Attacker can go through e.g. the Gmail password recovery process very convincingly impersonating you.

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Re: Ask HN: To what extent have digital payments replaced cash in your country?

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Here in India, cashless payments through various proprietary and privacy harming platforms, such as PhonePe, Google Pay, Paytm are popular among the city crowds and has become more common due to these elites pushing for it with street vendors. While these platforms use the UPI platform underneath (which is run by a consortium of public, private and foreign banks), most people don’t know about UPI IDs and instead use the linked phone numbers. “Google Pay me” or “Paytm me” is the “Venmo me” (of the U.S.) equivalent here.

There are tons of “fintech” companies backed by VCs, each trying to capture a chunk of the market with heavy competition. They sometimes partner with traditional banks to offer services.

Meanwhile, the linking of the so-called unique number given to residents (not just citizens), called “Aadhaar”, with bank accounts has resulted in more frauds and thefts through biometric scams (gummy fingers). The Aadhaar number as well as fingerprints are obtained from property registration documents, which are publicly exposed.

With UPI, there is a “payment request” mode too. Since digital literacy is extremely low in India, a lot of people have been losing money through various vishing and phishing scams. Getting the money back may also require greasing the palms of law enforcement.

As for me, I encourage people to use cash. I use a combination of cash and online payments. I carry all combinations of currency notes and coins to pay for any amount. I also have a rough idea of how much I’d need.

Whenever more people realize that the government is tracking their spends (including the push for a retail CBDC), they’ll start switching to cash mainly to evade taxes. So far though, most people have neither realized nor understood privacy concerns, give surveillance, etc. (I’m not blaming the poor and vulnerable sections, who already have a lot more to worry about)

Re: Ask HN: To what extent have digital payments replaced cash in your country?

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In Poland, there's still places that use cash, for obvious reasons, I am thinking of tattoo/piercing shops, small shops that function as courier hubs, etc. In general, I simply use a card (phone), and have used over the past N years in Poland, Denmark, and Cyprus.

In Poland I feel that most people use cashless payments nowdays. It may be also true that I live in a city in western parts. I think that the eastern part might rely more on cash. Sometimes I struggle to pay with cash, if I have to. Cashiers cannot return change, or seem to be disgusted if they have to. ATMs are getting less attractive. Are in less places, are old. I feel like everything goes to phone/NFC. I have a p…

Some ATMs have absurd fees in Poland. I tried to pull ~~100~~ 50 zlotti from ~~rev~~ Revolut, and paid ~~40~~ 18 zlotti on top.
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