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Ask HN: What would you recommend a 16 year old to pursue career wise?

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Re: Ask HN: What would you recommend a 16 year old to pursue career wise?

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I tell my kids (18(f) and 15(m)) to find out what they are really passionate about. Then we will try to find a career for that passion. Once we have that we will see what kind/level of formal education is needed to pursue that career. If you need a degree for that, well, work for that degree. Here in Germany most jobs are based on apprenticeship, so that is a very viable option. And part of that apprenticeship will b…

I don't think there's an apprenticeship for every passion out there. I definitely didn't see my passions reflected in typical job profiles.

Re: Ask HN: What would you recommend a 16 year old to pursue career wise?

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post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plumbing and electricians can be a great career but “one of the less physical one” denies the fact that it still wears out your body all the same. Speaking from a family of manual labor + friends in trades.

Agree - but the trajectory is to become a "Master Plumber" (this is an actual title/license) then you can operate your own plumbing business and the harder physical stuff can be done by younger employees. Getting to this level takes 7-10 years (from a cursory Google search), so he could have it by his early 30s. Usually the worry blue collar/trades people have is when their body starts breaking down in their 40s/50s…

The "pay your dues then run the business" approach has a couple problems. One you're gambling that you won't get injured in ways that will end or set back your career before you've done the time that will allow you to move past that risk. The odds are in your favor if you're sober, careful, and attentive but low level work in those fields doesn't particularly teach or reward that mindset either so a great deal of personal discipline is helpful. Even then it just takes one mistake and it doesn't even have to be your mistake either.

The second is that running a business is a different skillset from being a plumber or whatever, one that you won't have learned organically on the way up. And there's still the risk that you launch your business into some 2008 recession shit or whatever just through bad luck and now you're as broke as you were starting at 22 years old but without a body that can do physical work for 15 h/day anymore.

If you're american suggesting people join the military is socially normative but frankly obscene. Look what they've been into the last couple decades. "Assassinate civilians for twenty years and you can retire" is a harsh but realistic rephrasing of that recommendation. That's even aside from the very real risk you'll be sent off to get a life changing TBI, or be gang-raped by your colleagues and then blamed for it by the institution.

If someone is in the situation of needing to figure out their career from the beginning without any sort of support, money, or connections to get it started, I'm not sure what I would suggest either. The trades are maybe a good gamble but be realistic: the opioid epidemic is ground from the souls of the unlucky ones on that path.

Re: Ask HN: What would you recommend a 16 year old to pursue career wise?

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Yeah you'll still need an education, don't fall into the trap of thinking that everything has changed that radically.

The AI tools we have now are actually quite limited and are tools that humans need to learn how to employ.

There will be a lot of opportunities to learn how to employ the new tools though.

You also don't need to run out and learn how to build houses and grow food unless that is what you're actually interested in.

Re: Ask HN: What would you recommend a 16 year old to pursue career wise?

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Really depends on the person. Learn something though, as many things as you can in as many areas as you can. You never know what might pan out.

Most important thing: Learn to make things happen. Learn to "do stuff". A lot of people never understand this is what people pay for (they think it's just their qualifications or some such).

Learn how to take a task, stick with it and make a result, even when it is hard. Learn how to work. How to deal with other people who can help you or are in your way. Learn how to learn on the fly.

I don't know what the future is 20 years out, nobody does. Any specialized skill might go by the wayside at any time. But what you gain acquiring mastery of a skill is a skill itself.

Re: Ask HN: What would you recommend a 16 year old to pursue career wise?

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This may sound odd but I would recommend a trade that cannot be easily replaced by AI. Something like an electrician or roofer. Then try to get an apprenticeship with an older professional and learn as much as you can. Skip college completely and just start a business instead. You will be so much better off financially compared to say, a lawyer who will be in debt for a while and who’s job is about to be made obsolet…

Blue collar means spending your youth with tough physical labour surrounded by grumpy men to make some even angrier old man richer - while your friends are in college partying with fun girls and making contacts for easy jobs. Some people can be successful in a blue collar career, but the odds are you'll be abused, dogged and low paid. For that experience, you are better off spending your youth in the hospitality busi…

But I know so many grumpy old engineers and IT people!

Every job has it's hazards. I say try a number of them myself. Manual work is good for people, especially young people (in my opinion). I don't know about 30 years of back breaking labor though.

Re: Ask HN: What would you recommend a 16 year old to pursue career wise?

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Traditional Careers from Schooling that will impress your parents the most: Option X - Surgeon/Scientist: Age 18-21: Caltech Undergrad Age 22-29: Harvard/MIT MD-PhD (8 yr dual program with Harvard MD and MIT PhD) Age 30-36: UCSF Neurosurgery Residency (#1 in US) Age 37: NYU Langone Hospital Neurosurgeon Scientist (#1 in US) Option Y - PE/VC/Lawyer: Age 18-21: Harvard Undergrad Age 22-24: Blackstone Private Equity Ana…

Don't live someone else's life.

Re: Ask HN: What would you recommend a 16 year old to pursue career wise?

#129

May hate my answer. Learn to be optimistic long-term, go to therapy, exercise, make friends, have relationships, and try different things to find a career you enjoy. AI is overblown and knowledge is only becoming more valuable in a world spammed with low-quality information.

> go to therapy Unless you have psychological issues you want to resolve, "make friends" makes this part redundant. The idea that everyone needs to pay a professional to talk to unnecessarily medicalises the human condition.

Therapy is a great garbage collector. One doesn't need perceived psychological issue to benefit. And it doesnt have to be trying to resolve some hidden childhood pain or whatever. Sometimes it's so much better to pay someone to dump your trivial mental garbage on knowing that:

1. They arent going to find it gossip worthy and spread it to one or more people in your social groups.

2. You get to unburden yourself without burdening friends on the regular.

3. Sometimes there is real benefit to having a neutral 3rd party to help provide a different perspective on something that may be blocking some minor thing - and gets you on your way quicker

Re: Ask HN: What would you recommend a 16 year old to pursue career wise?

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post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree - but the trajectory is to become a "Master Plumber" (this is an actual title/license) then you can operate your own plumbing business and the harder physical stuff can be done by younger employees. Getting to this level takes 7-10 years (from a cursory Google search), so he could have it by his early 30s. Usually the worry blue collar/trades people have is when their body starts breaking down in their 40s/50s…

The "pay your dues then run the business" approach has a couple problems. One you're gambling that you won't get injured in ways that will end or set back your career before you've done the time that will allow you to move past that risk. The odds are in your favor if you're sober, careful, and attentive but low level work in those fields doesn't particularly teach or reward that mindset either so a great deal of per…

>low level work in those fields doesn't particularly teach or reward that mindset either so a great deal of personal discipline is helpful. Even then it just takes one mistake and it doesn't even have to be your mistake either.

This is a good point, but everything in life carries risk. You could make the same argument about cars, but people still drive every day (and some for a living!) Also, this is labor that has to be performed for society to function. The way you're talking about it makes it seem like an absurd proposition.

You can mitigate risk by choosing a safer and less physical trade (plumbing vs. tree service) and by being aware of the other dangers (like avoiding hard drugs.)

If he's a hard worker, sober, and attentive to detail it is likely he would be promoted quickly anyways.

>The second is that running a business is a different skillset from being a plumber or whatever...

The is true for every kind of proprietorship. It's just as true when a lawyer starts a law firm. Starting a business does mean assuming some amount of risk, but a proprietorship generally doesn't require any startup capital. The only adjacent business I can think of is property development, but those companies raise financing for their projects they don't just pay for them out of pocket.

It's also worth pointing out that even without starting your own business the wages that come when you are at the experienced level of a trade are livable and roughly commiserate with a lot of office jobs (obviously not talking about software engineering here.)

Regarding your comments about the military, there are many jobs in the different branches of the U.S. armed forces that would never see combat or even deployment to a combat zone. Unless you're saying that serving in any capacity puts you at that level of culpability (this is not something I care to debate about, it's too tangential.)

You would receive decent pay, a free college education, many other government related benefits, a path to retire by 40 and you get to choose from a wide variety of jobs to do (including many IT/Computer related) if you do well on the ASVAB. Like you pointed out, joining the military can be very risky, but those risks can be mitigated just like with trades. Someone who joins as an infantry soldier is much more likely to die than the person who joins the Navy to cook on their ships.

It's like you're looking for something perfect with no potential downsides to contend with, but I don't think that exists. The fact that the kid posted on here asking for advice shows he's clearly thinking about his future.

Personally, I wouldn't go for programming if I was his age at this point. Not because I think the job will be replaced by AI, but because the field is such a pain now. Entering it will be hell, even if you get a degree you're going to have to grind LC and you will face completely disparate hiring standards at every company you ever work for. Not to mention the multitude of bootcamp people. All to work in a field that has basically devolved into dealing with ever more complex abstractions on top of other abstractions. I'm sure AI will enter the stack at some point and it will truly be a black box. Programming these days just isn't very much fun anymore IMO.

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