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Re: Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?

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We're hiring at our company. We've had a lot of people come through from the recent waves of layoffs, and usually so far there has been a mix of too high expectations, remote work mismatches as well as just lots of people not making the bar (we are a small company). Still on the lookout for senior rust engineers who want to work at a company that's remote-first with a minimal-meetings culture. You can message me on t…

In general, I'm curious if people replying to this thread have had success with applying to HN "Who's Hiring?" listings. At my previous job, at a small company (~50 total employees), posting in those threads was by far our best recruiting tool. While we filtered out a lot of uninspiring resumes, we also responded quickly to people who seemed like a reasonable match. If I were looking, after exhausting personal contac…

This is one of the great secrets of the internet.

I've been on both sides of using HN to find work. It's just sooo good.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?

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Weirdly, a senior dev from my company was recruited by another company and will be changing jobs in a couple weeks. And to be clear, he is not a unicorn type. He's a good senior developer in a common language. It's hard for me to understand recruiters "fishing in the neighbor's pond" while there are plenty of unemployed, qualified senior devs out there right now.

I've heard from a few sources that there's a disgusting stigma of "if you were laid off, there must be a reason."

I've always assumed this was the stigma, so I've always avoided mentioning it, but during the much more competitive market in 2020-2021, it seemed like big tech types were the only ones wise enough to look past that stigma and appreciate that often, cuts are to business units, not people. My wife was part of a big (31%) layoff at an AI Healthcare company during the earliest round of layoffs, and she had literally hundreds of requests to interview within the first two days of being laid off.

This round of layoffs seems different. If big tech isn't hiring, and they're the only ones wise enough to see through the stigma, that is a possible explanation for why.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?

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I was laid off in early December. I applied to a couple hundred positions, interviewed with around 10%, and received two offers at the beginning of this month. The market is pretty rough. I had a lot of good interviews fizzle out into rejections after the final round. I assume this is because I was competing with several other recently laid off engineers. My new salary is 33% less than my previous and I’m getting muc…

I think the rough 100:10:1 ratio was the standard for a long time. That certainly describes my job hunting experience prior to say 2012. The whole 5:4:3 ratio was an aberration during our recent, unprecedented bull market.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?

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I was a senior dev at a big tech and got laid off in November. I have applied to hundreds of places. Not a lot of responses. I have been doing interview preps the whole time. It has been very demoralizing and I am thinking of switching careers to something else. I have been considering skilled trades. I like carpentry in particular.

Honestly it's not a bad option if you except the work will suck. I did it for a while after getting severance from a tech job. I did a first year carpentry program. We built a house from the ground up for Habitat for Humanity.

After the program I worked in the industry for a while. When you are starting in carpentry it's a lot of grunt work. People won't care if you have any training. After a full day of vacuuming drywall dust I had enough. Quit and landed a programming job.

I still think it was a valuable experience. It shows you value of hard work. If there is time to lean there is time to clean is a very real thing. I was in the best shape of my life. I now have the skills to do most of my own Renos.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?

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Weirdly, a senior dev from my company was recruited by another company and will be changing jobs in a couple weeks. And to be clear, he is not a unicorn type. He's a good senior developer in a common language. It's hard for me to understand recruiters "fishing in the neighbor's pond" while there are plenty of unemployed, qualified senior devs out there right now.

I've heard from a few sources that there's a disgusting stigma of "if you were laid off, there must be a reason."

This stigma exists because in past cycles (think 90s') layoffs were performance ranked. We can argue if such metrics are fairly calculated etc, but that often was the reason given.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?

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Serious question for the folks who are not getting many callbacks. Are you looking for remote-only work, or are you looking at both remote and on-site opportunities?

My experience trying to set up my next C2C contract is remote is utterly dead and every posting has like 500 to 1500 applicants, whereas the locals are mostly hybrid (like you will attend weekly team meetings live in person) and locals are seeking me out.

I have seen weird verbiage for remote work at big companies where they post a senior level job description with an amazing shopping list of requirements and nice-to-haves but its a "junior developer" job title and pay. Which is an interesting way to handle wage deflation. Sometimes the desired shopping list of technologies is so immense I can't imagine what the role would be doing day to day, the entire technology stack at a small startup is possible but the entire technology stack at a huge multinational is, well, very huge!

As such I've pretty much stopped trying for remote. Maybe the market will be better later.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?

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I recently got laid off in the UK and it was really hard to find something decent. There's jobs out there, but most aren't all that great and the interviews were much harder to come by. I was ghosted by recruiters countless times after being told I would be put forward for certain roles which has never happened to me before...

I'm in the US and would love to hear about the UK expefiencd. What's it like when being laid off in the UK? Do you get guaranteed severance and some breathing room from the stress of rent or mortgage payments? Do you worry about access to high quality Healthcare? Overall, do you think being in the UK makes you less worried that a layoff will leave you broke and homeless?

I'm a contractor so no severance, although I believe severance in the UK works fairly similarly to the US (I just wouldn't know). On mortgages, I'm very worried because in the UK all mortgages are ARMs and our repayments have gone up a ton. But in addition to this so have our energy bills, and expenses generally.

> Do you worry about access to high quality Healthcare?

I don't have private healthcare. Unless you're very rich most people in the UK just put up with the NHS. I'm young and healthy though so almost never need it anyway. In general I don't think any worries about access to healthcare here.

> Overall, do you think being in the UK makes you less worried that a layoff will leave you broke and homeless?

I'll give you a long answer to this because social mobility and the affordability of homes is something I care deeply about and apparently have a controversial opinion on... But the TL;DR would be that I'm more worried about being broke, but less about being homeless than someone in a similar situation to myself living in the US.

Now the long answer...

The UK is weird in that if you're from a background like mine and you want a decent life (a home and family) you're generally better off not working. With the exception of myself the only people I know from my childhood who have their own homes are those without jobs and on benefits. I don't believe this is the same in the US.

In the UK if you work you're unlikely to be able to afford your own home unless you have fairly wealthy parents who can give you money, or a very good job – and if you're from a council estate you're almost guaranteed to have neither.

So I'm not worried about being homeless because the state will give me a home, but I often feel I'm in an impossible situation in terms of moving up the economic ladder via employment. Imo there's no real wealth mobility in the UK because we're taxed so aggressively and progressively on income. In effect the more you try to earn to not be poor the more the state will hold you back to ensure that never happens, but if you're super wealthy already then you're not taxed a penny on what you have while the poor will pay for your public services and pension via income tax and various consumption taxes.

The end result is that it means the best way to be wealthy in the UK is simply to inherit it (in ways that avoid inheritance tax, obviously). Although I would acknowledge starting a business is another viable option as that way you don't need to worry about income tax – but that's obviously not easy and requires a decent amount of luck.

So I think the right answer your question is that it's just different here. If you're poor the state looks after you very well in comparison to the US. I know single mums who have been given £500,000 houses to live in by the state and £30,000 a year to live on (untaxed). But if you're from a background like mine and want to work for a living there isn't a practical path to afford a £500,000 house in your 30s as a single parent – not to mention the luxury of not having to work a single day of your life for that lifestyle.

Speaking purely from a personal perspective, I would I'd feel much more financially secure in the US because the tax system is fairer there. My understand is that in the US you're taxed less for trying to build wealth and I don't believe you have consumption taxes. I think this is generally why people who work hard in the US can end up wealthy, but in the UK similar things don't really happen.

But I would point out that most people in the UK disagree with me on this. Those who claim to care about social mobility the most here are generally the loudest advocates for even higher levels of income tax.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of them become blacksmiths as I recently learned.

Wonder how hard it is to get started with glassblowing

The late Ezra Zygmuntowicz was a glassblower by training and trade long before starting Engineyard.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?

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post #25

Weirdly, a senior dev from my company was recruited by another company and will be changing jobs in a couple weeks. And to be clear, he is not a unicorn type. He's a good senior developer in a common language. It's hard for me to understand recruiters "fishing in the neighbor's pond" while there are plenty of unemployed, qualified senior devs out there right now.

Sure there's plenty? Some reqs are ridiculously detailed and specific. Oh you have Python 3.10.7 installed, sorry we can't hire you we use 3.10.6 here. Next! Oh we want someone with 4 years experience, you only have 3 yrs 11 months call back later. Next!

Re: Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?

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Here's the flip side: I was hiring (at a stealth vc-funded startup). I reached out to every designer and coder laid off from Twitter and Amazon (one of my investors sent me a spreadsheet that those laid off folks added their contact info to). I didn't receive a single interested response to my reach outs. Now granted, I'm sure they were bombarded with lots of startup offers and being picky what company/stage they wer…

> stealth vc-funded startup If I just got laid off, I might not want to take another huge gamble like this.

Especially in this economic / VC climate. We're not where we were a year ago, and credit/investment is a much different proposition.
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