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Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

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Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

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One thing to note is that while Germany is much better if you need social services, it's much easier to move between classes in the US. It's very hard to move up in German society without the right social circles which are also much more exclusive than in the US or London. That said, while therapy is one thing(and very hard to find someone that actually helps you out of your misery instead of reinforcing it), I'd may…

Is therapy better in Germany? I live in Hamburg and the waiting list is more than a year for therapy. I was under the impression that it is somewhat faster in the US When I lived in the UK they wouldn’t offer me even a waiting list

Go private if you can afford it. NHS therapy in the U.K. is basically impossible to get for most people, but there are many, many good professional therapists charging £40-£60/hour. Once a week or fortnight, it’s worth it.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

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I've been in some dark places myself with it all culminating about 4 years ago with the birth of my son and I had everything going "right" and all the things you claim to desire. I had a successful small ad agency, was married, lived in a cool city, etc. and yet was still in a dark place. Don't fall into the trap thinking that simply ticking these boxes will improve your life, certainly material changes to things can make a big difference but they won't "solve" it. I emphasize this because most of the advice here is focused on changing your material condition (which makes sense this is a forum dominated by engineers) but that isn't the whole story.

I would also question your analysis of the situation which seems to rest on this mistaken understanding of time. Plenty of people have everything you want and die at 50 or younger. Plenty of people are in your shoes and live to be 100. Don't assume you do or don't have time left to do these things.

Years of therapy started me on the path. Progress was slow at first, gradual for a long time, and then I seemingly hit a number of breakthroughs that really accelerated things in the past year. The biggest things you can do today, yes today, are get your diet in order if it isn't already, start going to the gym regularly if you aren't already, meditate daily (it actual changes the structure of your brain). There's some evidence that ice baths and sauna bathing can help a lot. (It did for me). I listen to the Huberman podcast and if you're scientifically minded he's a Stanford neurologist who talks through things that can help like depression, anxiety, etc on a chemical level and how it can help us improve our lives. Also if you're a big drinker or use some sort of drugs you need to work first off towards moderating those or consider entirely eliminating them from your life for at least the short term. I entirely stopped drinking for 6 months and now it's an extremely rare occurrence. It's not going to fix things but it will keep them from getting worse.

Longer term don't be afraid to explore meds if needed (with the advice of a doctor of course), despite the wide demonization they get from others in tech adderall changed my life significantly for the better (but know it's a push not a silver bullet). In the process with therapy I learned not to hate myself, I found (re-found) my religion, and am starting to make genuine friendship and connections. I also found the writings of Marcus Aurelius in Meditations to be extremely useful. If the literal emperor of Rome felt like how I do every day surely I am not alone.

Is my life perfect? Not at all. Did material things like changing my job, moving half way across the country, cutting old friendships etc help? Absolutely! The above list sounds borderline cliche and it basically is because the advice works. My biggest thing I want to emphasize though is that start slow. Don't shift perfectionism to your self improvement. Again emphasizing diet and exercise even a 15 minute walk a day and cutting our processed foods can do more than you think and you can't talk your way out of biology. Email is in my DMs if you want to talk. We're all in it together. I once heard that the whole universe is love. We're either all screaming out for love (through sadness or anger or both) or we're giving it. It sounds so flippant but it really is true. Hope this helps and hope you find your path. If it's any help I'm a total stranger and odds are we'll never chat but know I am rooting for you.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

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You need to see a therapist. Your problem is largely on your outlook on where you are in life. This is not meant to be a buck up or shut up comment, it's just that you can't improve your life until you change your outlook on things. You won't be able to move forward on things until you confront your feelings and accept your position to move out of it. To answer your question, yes. My 30's were a mess with a divorce,…

How do u find a therapist? I’m a bit weary to discuss super personal things with someone I don’t know even if they’re a professional. How can I find someone I trust and is actually good? Not like the movies where the clock is up and ok next issue. My work offers a mental health service but I’ve looked at their TOS and no thanks. Sometimes I feel like just suspending the world background process and being still would…

If you have a doctor, I would start there by asking that person if there is someone they would recommend. It may take a few attempts to find someone you're comfortable with. The first session or 2 will be around both of you figuring out if it's a good fit. It may not be. Most therapists have a bio describing their approach to their practice and their beliefs.

Remember, if you meet a therapist and you aren't feeling it isn't a good fit, that's ok. There is nothing wrong with you (or them), it's just not a good fit. Be honest in your feelings, and don't worry about disappointing anyone in the process. This is about you and what's best for you.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

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1. See a therapist. If only to ask about therapy.

2. A symptom of this condition is distorted perceptions and beliefs. It introduces undetected errors in your rational processes. It can be difficult to think your own way out of it as a result. A professional can help you troubleshoot these errors and patch them out. Can’t recommend this enough. You can totally do it.

3. Pick someone on your insurance or out of the phone book and just go. It will be hard to take the first steps (again, depression fights to defend itself). But you can do it.

4. To answer your question, yes, people make changes in their lives to bring themselves happiness at all ages. It’s sometimes difficult, but as they say, many of the things most worth doing, are. Get a guide. Start small. Keep moving. You can do it!

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#125
As someone who has kids, wife, dogs, etc (and happy) -- I'm still envious of your ability to make ANY change you want w/o having to clear it with anyone. Just do it! :-)

Also, I highly encourage you to watch this Ken Burn FLW documentary. You'll see a guy who did his best work after he was 50:

https://www.amazon.com/Frank-Lloyd-Wright-Burns-Novick/dp/B0...

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

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I don't have any idea why you think "a wife, kids" are out of the picture for you: after early adulthood, men and women are looking for someone they can see having a family with, and not for the more superfluous things in life (good looks, status or lots of money). At 43, having kids is harder for women, but usually not for men (well, at least making babies: bringing up kids does get a bit harder as you age regardles…

Second that age thing, 43 is not 'too old' for a man, past prime yes but definitely doable if your health is OK in that area. As a person who has 2 young kids (first when 39, second at 41) - in some regards I am much better parent than younger me, the only problem that probably got worse with age (for me) is patience. But parents are required to have endless amount of patience anyway and I've seen even otherwise stellar parents to lose it more than once when pushed enough. If you don't feel up to it anymore, look for single moms and give some proper good into the world, it desperately needs it now more than ever. Don't let (often ancient) social norms of your specific place rule your life, science is on your side.

Tons of other good advices here - if you think you really are suicidal (and not just fleeting emotion in the lowest position), get professional help, even if it means moving away. You owe to yourself as much as to anybody else, including your closest family. Otherwise try to get a job you want and like, AND get into some sports, whatever it is. Being active brutally increases mood, happiness and often integrates you with like-minded people. On top of usual stuff like better sleep, sex, longer better life overall etc.

Do some 'charity' work, helping unknown people with whatever, its extremely rewarding. Attempt in some way to overcome procrastination, attack it from different angles, ie set up appointments that you would feel ashamed to cancel later.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

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How do u find a therapist? I’m a bit weary to discuss super personal things with someone I don’t know even if they’re a professional. How can I find someone I trust and is actually good? Not like the movies where the clock is up and ok next issue. My work offers a mental health service but I’ve looked at their TOS and no thanks. Sometimes I feel like just suspending the world background process and being still would…

Try a few. Go see one, make it clear you’re looking around. If it isn’t working, say so and move on. They’re professionals, they get it. You do have to be prepared to be vulnerable to some extent, but if they’re any good they’ll earn trust and develop a working relationship with you that is comfortable. Source: multiple years of therapy. Definitely worth the effort and the cost.

Exactly this, a good therapist will focus the first session or two on fit, they want to make sure you both understand each other.

I will caveat by not knowing what country you are in and the norms there, so this is coming from a US centric approach.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

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Not me, but my Mother indeed turned her life in a completely different direction in her 40's. Up until then, she was married to a verbally abusive narcissist for 20 years (my father–a decent man and excellent surgeon, but with unaddressed mental health issues). She and my Dad divorced at 40, and she returned to school to get the degree she always wanted. She completed PhD in English Literature and, for the last 20+ years, has been an accomplished English professor and author–writing everything from illustrated children's stories to graduate-level textbooks. She also met another man, and they've now been married longer than she and my father.

Your perspective is out of calibration. You're halfway through your life (ish). Your best days could easily be ahead of you. You need a therapist, and they are available online. Doesn't have to be one in your town. My wife and I have seen a couple's therapist online for 3+ years now, and it's an excellent way to spend our time and money.

Life is hard. It was hard then and it will be hard now, but you can do the things you want. And the second half is coming whether you do them or not, so you may as well get started.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#130

This is above HN's paygrade. International Suicide Crisis Hotline directory: https://findahelpline.com/i/iasp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suicide_crisis_lines If you are posting this kind of message on HN then you're at a point that you can call for a 1-1 chat. There are people who can listen. Don't rely on social media to do this.

We're not therapists, but many people don't need therapy: their cry for help doesn't mean they're short on dopamine or have childhood trauma. They're simply destitute. Therapy also isn't a magical bullet: it's not exactly engineering.

What we can give is some experience, and heartfelt advice. Perhaps there's something of value in this thread, if not for poor OP, then for another person that feels the weight of expectations on his/her shoulders.

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