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Re: Ask HN: Is programming a “young person's game”?

#121
Hitting 60 in a few years here, started at 15.

There will definitely be phases to enthusiasm, focus, and opportunities to shine (if you are continually learning).

The "young man" qualifier has various aspects other than 'ability'. For example, a young man may not care that he is a cost center as far as employer mother ship is concerned. He may not care that the work may be highly irregular in terms of hours. He may not care that he is asked to demonstrate rudimentary knowledge when looking for work. He may not care that ... but an "older man" will likely care.

You need to project a desired mid-life situation. Define the parameters, and then check out possible average programmer outcomes at mid-life, which vary quite widely.

Finally, the profession may look very different in a couple of decades (when you will hit your midlife). It certainly wasn't like this when I was your age. So I think if your concerns are general life fulfillment concerns, you should analyze and reach decisions in terms of generic knowledge worker situation. For example, your spending & saving habit choices will be far more significant factors than your choice of career if at 50 you need to do a re-eval or pivot what you do.

Re: Ask HN: Is programming a “young person's game”?

#123
> You only see top programmers who started as kids and probably won some Olympiads and programming competitions, and this continued in their 20s and maybe kept their skill up till 30s but that's about it. What do they do after that?

I know in mathematics, winning the math olympiad makes someone far more likely to win the Fields medal, but I haven't heard of a similar correlation in programming (e.g. for the Turing award).

I don't see how being a young prodigy gives someone an advantage in most of the programming world.

Re: Ask HN: Is programming a “young person's game”?

#124

I created intercooler.js when I was 32. I created htmx (intercooler 2) when I was 40 and it has been far more successful. I also created hyperscript when I was 40. I'm working on new stuff as we speak. I could have made a lot more money by moving over to tech management at around age 30, which is what I think sucks a lot of programmers out of the game, but I like writing code. I do have memory issues compared with wh…

Thank you for htmx! And grug brain!

Re: Ask HN: Is programming a “young person's game”?

#125
I'm 55 and started my career at 18 at a startup building a real-time DOS monitor that was used to build and market several real-time operations monitoring systems being sold to Fortune 500 companies and their equivalents around the world. I had gone to a high school for kids "gifted" in math and science that had the financial backing and research assistance from the Battelle Memorial Institute. That's where I learned about real-time operating systems and had an extremely successful science fair project where I built such a real-time monitor on a C-64, showing the viability of doing "serious" computing on the low-cost 8-bit machines that were becoming extremely popular. The U.S. Navy was definitely interested in this research and I received several cash awards from them.

Does that make me a prodigy? I don't know, I've never felt so. I just keep learning and doing and over the years I've been building larger and more complex systems. Nowadays I spend more time directing the development of several development teams in building solutions and occasionally do some hands-on development just so I retain a familiarity with the challenges facing today's developers.

Anyway, I think I have enough juice left in me to keep going until I'm 67 which is when I plan to retire.

Re: Ask HN: Is programming a “young person's game”?

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I'm 43 and I took my first fulltime gig 6 years ago. I was working in unrelated sectors before that. I've been wanting to relocate to another country lately and I managed to find a -better paying- job there too, and I signed the contract recently. It's my childhood hobby and I did do some open source or freelance work from time to time but never full time. I was a fine programmer at 16 but I'm a much better "engineer…

I’ve been a professional developer for 8 years now, and I’m 48. I’m very employable as above average individual contributor. Breaking into entry/mid level jobs at age 40 was one of the hardest things I’ve ever done, but it was worth it.

I got lucky there. A friend and his friend had a small startup and they needed a Chrome extension which they didn't have the time to make. I offered my services and they liked the job I did and offered me a fulltime job. I refused initially because I was happy with my other job but I changed my mind a few months later.

The product (and the business) was successful and now we have dozens of employees.

Re: Ask HN: Is programming a “young person's game”?

#128

Programming isn't young mans game but a career doing programming is young man's game. It is a young man's game in the sense that your priorities in life change. Just lose your motivation to * learn the next hottest framework on the weekends, * doing leetcode puzzles to change jobs * 25 yr old nitpicking your PR that you didn't organize your imports in alphabetical order. * plateauing at L6 level while your peers beco…

>plateauing at L6 level while your peers become directors. Why would you want to make 250k while your friends make 450k. I'm always surprised how often this comes up. The salaries in our industry are so absurd that I find it hard to believe that this, at the margin, is supposed to be so relevant. Same with the comparisons to your peers. What our peers do and where they stand on some invented hierarchy sounds like str…

> he maturity to make decisions based on what you're genuinely passionate about.

I make decisions based on whats best for my family. I want to make maximum amount of money for my labor. There is nothing wrong with comparing yourself with your peers. I actually find "follow your passion" advice incredibly toxic and anxiety inducing. No one is really passionate about writing enterprise code. I am talking about just regular people, you know like 99% of ppl doing coding jobs for money.

Re: Ask HN: Is programming a “young person's game”?

#129

I created intercooler.js when I was 32. I created htmx (intercooler 2) when I was 40 and it has been far more successful. I also created hyperscript when I was 40. I'm working on new stuff as we speak. I could have made a lot more money by moving over to tech management at around age 30, which is what I think sucks a lot of programmers out of the game, but I like writing code. I do have memory issues compared with wh…

Big Brain & Grug! I would watch that show ;)

Re: Ask HN: Is programming a “young person's game”?

#130

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>plateauing at L6 level while your peers become directors. Why would you want to make 250k while your friends make 450k. I'm always surprised how often this comes up. The salaries in our industry are so absurd that I find it hard to believe that this, at the margin, is supposed to be so relevant. Same with the comparisons to your peers. What our peers do and where they stand on some invented hierarchy sounds like str…

> he maturity to make decisions based on what you're genuinely passionate about. I make decisions based on whats best for my family. I want to make maximum amount of money for my labor. There is nothing wrong with comparing yourself with your peers. I actually find "follow your passion" advice incredibly toxic and anxiety inducing. No one is really passionate about writing enterprise code. I am talking about just reg…

it's toxic advice if you give it to a broke twenty something. When you're on stable footing and have your needs covered money is supposed to afford you the freedom to actually make your own choices about things you care.

In my family the idea has always been, money is necessary but being happy what you work on is more important both for you and your relationships. If you're making 6-12x the national mean you're literally not in the 99%, you're in the top 1%. If you're still haggling with your peers or anxious about only money you're living on autopilot.

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