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Managers hate the second option because it's a step backwards in their careers.
Managers with a stake in the business will be more reasonable.
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I don't understand why you would reveal that you automated your job after all that time. If the contract states that you get paid in hours rather than tasks per time period, you might end up losing a lawsuit. Just leave and say nothing. Don't give your code to someone else, don't give it to the company, just go. Even without the potential lawsuit, on the odd chance that your future employer ever calls up your previou…
> on the odd chance that your future employer ever calls up your previous employer to verify your credentials, the company won't describe you as a lying hack. This is a common perception but I don't think actually happens that much. A company be sued for what they say about you, so most will just provide your start and end date, employee type, and the type of termination.
Somewhat related to your predicament, a good friend of mine was working data entry in Verizon in the early 2010s, and automated his entire job with VBA. Never told anyone on his team, least of all his manager. Spent a year or so doing no more than 10 minutes work per day. Learned Python and after a year revealed all and left for a better job. Apparently there was chaos afterwards. So, either tell your direct manager…
I don't understand why you would reveal that you automated your job after all that time. If the contract states that you get paid in hours rather than tasks per time period, you might end up losing a lawsuit. Just leave and say nothing. Don't give your code to someone else, don't give it to the company, just go. Even without the potential lawsuit, on the odd chance that your future employer ever calls up your previou…
However, as it was told to me my friend revealed the automation scripting as a very deliberate FU right at the end of his employment. Not so much burning bridges, but almost taking deliberate steps to douse them in kerosene beforehand.
Seeing he ended up as a principal developer in a reinsurance company, I doubt it did much long term reputational damage.
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> The cynical me says they weren't smart enough to automate away their own work (so they could be assigned more, different work), so eff 'em, right? That is, until someone else automates away your job. Sort of besides the point but I wish someone _would_ automate my job so I can find even more interesting things to work on; I’m trying and I haven’t figured out how to yet. Yes, this is obviously only a position someon…
I genuinely believe we can make a world where no one is required to work for survival. We could intentionally automate as much as possible while also ensuring that automation is collectively owned. Then we could all collect dividends on our system with ample time off for "what we will" as the activists fighting for the 8 hour work day used to say. I believe strongly that the current economic system is effective prima…
And what you mightn't see is the threat this poses to the evidently unfair, but also evidently well entrenched status quo.
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I genuinely believe we can make a world where no one is required to work for survival. We could intentionally automate as much as possible while also ensuring that automation is collectively owned. Then we could all collect dividends on our system with ample time off for "what we will" as the activists fighting for the 8 hour work day used to say. I believe strongly that the current economic system is effective prima…
I admire your optimistic view, but in every collective project there's an a-hole just and solely looking out for themselves. And what you mightn't see is the threat this poses to the evidently unfair, but also evidently well entrenched status quo.
I think it’s important to really understand what is at stake. The current structure of society is such that everyone is under the thumb of assholes today. Better to have an asshole as another member of a collective than an asshole as your boss.
I do certainly understand the threat this poses to the well entrenched status quo. My strategy is to start small so the big players don’t believe you’re worth stopping, and then once you’ve proven your method works you’ve already picked up enough momentum to keep moving despite opposition. But in the end this is a project that will take lifetimes, and may never be achieved. I’d still rather work on this than design some robot designed to make the lives of very comfortable people slightly more comfortable, while simultaneously ensuring the CEO gets a new vacation home in Colorado.
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Data entry jobs have a pretty hard cap on how much you can get paid. Besides no one wants to see a person's resume say "data entry" for 10 years. That would be shooting your own prospects in the foot.
If you have another gig and did something useful during that time, I can't imagine you'd be listing 'data entry' on the resume?
This presents no threat to anybody and allows you to gauge reactions.
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Don't forget to automate defence (yah that one, military), and how to prevent any interested party in controlling that automated defence system.
I think Americans over estimate how much investment in defense is needed. Massive defense spending is needed when you’re abusing the rest of the world. Less so if you’re not.
Last year, I would have responded to your position with this quote from Ruth Bader Ginsburg's dissent in Shelby County v. Holder, "t]hrowing out preclearance when it has worked and is continuing to work to stop discriminatory changes is like throwing away your umbrella in a rainstorm because you are not getting wet." and reminded you why you're dry. But this year, with the umbrella being on full display and not only stopping rain, but also stopping a genocide by the murderous LGBT-hating Siloviki class ruling Russia, I'm just kind of confused about how you could argue that we've got way too much umbrella.
I was once a msp monkey and casually mentioned to someone, who described their job of doing various operations in excel, why not just write a macro and stop doing that? Work smart, not hard.
She went ahead, learnt macros and automated her entire job. She finished her day's worth of work in a few minutes each day. Her mistake, she started talking much more. Coworkers snitched on her but her boss checked if she got her work done and she did.
Boss was sneaky and asked her if she could do a little extra work for the day. She said yes and she completed it right away.
She then went on to basically automate an entire department out of a job. She saved the business oodles of money. Those people got laid off, but they really disliked losing their job. They firebombed her car middle of the day in the corporate parking lot. She ended up being protected by the police briefly. Couldnt tell anyone where she moved but she got an awful lot of money from her employer and was promoted.