Ask HN: More “experimental” UIs for editing/writing code?

Post by melony » Sun, Aug 07, 2022, 5:48 PM UTC

drekipus wrote: post #79

melony wrote: post #15

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If you don't want open source developers to starve, you damn well put your money where your mouth is. High quality open source software is worth paying for. The times when open source software is a niche cottage industry powered by volunteers are long gone. Time is not free, and software does not grow on trees (despite what overprivileged lisp users may claim).

I think lisp users are more for code growing from lists, not trees

Post by efortis » Sun, Aug 07, 2022, 7:31 PM UTC

capableweb wrote: post #108

efortis wrote: post #24

Here's a nice document with many programming interfaces by Johnathan M. Edwards 1948 Plugboards 1949 Keypunch 1963 Teletype 1970 VT05 1980 Symbolic Lisp 1980 Smalltalk 1986 Boxer 1987 Self 1987 HyperCard 1987 Alice Pascal 1991 Visual Basic 1991 AgentSheets 1994 SK8 1996 Squeak/eToys 2001 Eclipse 2003 Flash MX 2005 Scratch … https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/e/2PACX-1vSPuf3eQ2tlC...

While interesting (thanks a lot for sharing this great resource), it seems to mainly focus on just the UX/UI aspects, while ignoring the input method, they all depend on mouse and/or keyboard. Is there any similar resources for more varied input methods? Like joysticks, custom keyboards, voice or similar?

    piano-like single hand keyboards 

    light-pen, pen-to-text
    foot pedals
    keyboards with two wheels
    text-to-speech (os native)
    gloves and 2D mocap-like cam capture of sign language
    Neuralink.com

Post by kragen » Sun, Aug 07, 2022, 10:42 PM UTC

unsafecast wrote: post #90

kragen wrote: post #43

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https://github.com/dion-systems/metadesk seems to be the repo for their prototype. It seems like it's vaguely similar to SGML but with small but significant differences: instead of blah blah you say a: "blah blah", the node labels can be user data instead of just structure, attribute values are full subtrees instead of just strings, and attributes syntactically precede the node, so you say @foo(bar) baz instead of .

That's not Dion. It's a plain text language for DSLs. This is Dion: https://dion.systems/gallery.html (Those are videos)

Post by bartimus » Mon, Aug 08, 2022, 7:57 AM UTC

krono wrote: post #31

bartimus wrote: post #27

I one time did a project entirely in notepad. Not notepad++. But the standard notepad that comes with Windows. It was a time when I got tired of frameworks and IDE's that come and go and try to offer things more conveniently. Again having to learn about some new kid on the block. Having to depend on 3rd parties. I wanted everything to be vanilla. What's interesting is how this forces you to think carefully about stru…

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Post by TuringTest » Mon, Aug 08, 2022, 8:02 PM UTC

nkuttler wrote: post #96

TuringTest wrote: post #84

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> The syntax complexity will just be moved into a visual layer, it doesn't disappear. You missed the part where our brain is much better prepared to deal with visual complexity than textual. It's like moving the job to a specialized hardware co-processor. Even if the inherent complexity of the task is the same, the environment would allow to do it way more efficiently. And we could also redesign the languages and IDE…

> You missed the part where our brain is much better prepared to deal with visual complexity than textual. Citation needed. Text is also a visual representation of language. If you want symbols instead of letters to represent logic you basically end up with hieroglyph like system, a logographic one.