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Ask HN: Europe to East Coast, does it make sense to move at 50?

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Re: Ask HN: Europe to East Coast, does it make sense to move at 50?

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I freelance and love it. The hard part for you will be getting your foot in the door. I’m about your age, and so far haven’t had any problems with employers in our industry. The rise of remote work probably helps you a bit with the employment side of your question. As for the negative comments, what the comments here don’t address is this: the US is almost more like a bunch of countries rather than one single entity.…

Thanks for your thoughts. I visited the US in the past (hell, me best trip ever was an epic coast to coast with a Marine friend) and I'm aware of the differences. Cultural differences are ok, this is why we consider moving - and why I moved a lot around in the past. My main concern is about getting to an age where I can't really afford severe financial missteps. Our "purchase power" here in Berlin is very very high a…

A few last thoughts: NJ can be pretty expensive. My family there spent more per month on property taxes than I spent in a year on mortgage, property tax, and insurance combined on a larger home in SC. I’m not sure if you have a choice in what city you are choosing, but if you do, it pays to shop around, so to speak.

If you’re willing to forego freelancing there are some great remote-first companies that will pay you well. Elastic is an absolutely amazing place to work, and they have a decent German cohort, too.

Re: Ask HN: Europe to East Coast, does it make sense to move at 50?

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I find lectures about American society from Europeans, as the parent comment did, exceedingly ironic and misinformed considering the same issues plague both sides. Even more so as American armed forces and weapons (and our tax dollars and political system) are what protect all of you from annihilation. The grass is always greener but I prefer it here.

> Even more so as American armed forces and weapons (and our tax dollars and political system) are what protect all of you from annihilation. That's one of the stupidest misconceptions Americans have about "Europe" (the EU). The EU has a mutual defence elements to it. The EU has a nuclear power, France. The EU doesn't need the US, your "tax dollars and (horrifically broken) political system", and should stop relying…

It’s just so strange that the USA has to provide all the weapons, negotiations, saber shaking, etc. to protect Ukraine when Germany and France are so capable!

Re: Ask HN: Europe to East Coast, does it make sense to move at 50?

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Moving to the US at this point would be like buying a ticket on the Titanic just after it hit the iceberg. But sure, why not?

I think you could say this about many regions in the world at the moment to be fair. Covid has made a lot of simmering issues escalate all around the world.

Re: Ask HN: Europe to East Coast, does it make sense to move at 50?

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> Even more so as American armed forces and weapons (and our tax dollars and political system) are what protect all of you from annihilation. That's one of the stupidest misconceptions Americans have about "Europe" (the EU). The EU has a mutual defence elements to it. The EU has a nuclear power, France. The EU doesn't need the US, your "tax dollars and (horrifically broken) political system", and should stop relying…

It’s just so strange that the USA has to provide all the weapons, negotiations, saber shaking, etc. to protect Ukraine when Germany and France are so capable!

You're confounding capabilities with interests. Defending Ukraine (or rather bogging down Russia) has a lot more value to the US than it does European countries who hesitated as long as possible due to their intertwinement with Russia. The world is not as black and white as the propaganda leads you to believe.

Re: Ask HN: Europe to East Coast, does it make sense to move at 50?

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If you have medical issues for anyone in your family, think a million times before moving to the United States. Unless you have very good health insurance, you’re fucked, financially.

Other things like infrastructure, political polarization etc are very real. But there are also lots of opportunities in tech, salaries are higher than Europe but the work culture is worse - expect to work longer hours than Europe, little paid leave, fire at will etc. These are personal choices and compromises.

If things don’t work out, can you easily move back to Berlin? If yes, maybe it is worth taking a chance and spend a couple of years here and see how it goes?

Re: Ask HN: Europe to East Coast, does it make sense to move at 50?

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post #112

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> Even more so as American armed forces and weapons (and our tax dollars and political system) are what protect all of you from annihilation. That's one of the stupidest misconceptions Americans have about "Europe" (the EU). The EU has a mutual defence elements to it. The EU has a nuclear power, France. The EU doesn't need the US, your "tax dollars and (horrifically broken) political system", and should stop relying…

It’s just so strange that the USA has to provide all the weapons, negotiations, saber shaking, etc. to protect Ukraine when Germany and France are so capable!

Why do you think that all is coming from the US?

https://www.statista.com/chart/27278/military-aid-to-ukraine...

25% comes from the US, but if you order by GDP(second graph), US is fourth. So overall a very big contribution, but far from "all". And about "negotiations" specifically, you're simply wrong - the ones keeping an open line with Putin (for zero gain so far) are Macron and Scholz (both say it's with Zelensky's approval, and he hasn't disproven them so they're probably not lying).

Re: Ask HN: Europe to East Coast, does it make sense to move at 50?

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And if that's 'at will' employment you may well end up finding out what it is like to be without a safety net if the spouse should get fired.

But in this event, we could move back to Europe, no?

Moving isn't free. I've done it, twice. And every time it feels like starting all over again.

Re: Ask HN: Europe to East Coast, does it make sense to move at 50?

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> Food is cheap and plentiful. The portion sizes are twice as large for the same equivalent price as the EU :). As someone who moved from EU to the US for 6 years and recently got back: the quality of the food is way lower there, though. As in: food standards imposed are significantly lower. I ended buying mostly organic food at Costco after my body significantly changed within first 6 months. EDIT: don't know why I…

Food standards might be lower, but I would argue that the food quality is better, depending on the country in the EU. Here in Germany, 25% of meat bought in grocery stores doesn't follow the most basic of butchering standards set forth: https://www.ua-bw.de/pub/beitrag.asp?subid=0&Thema_ID=2&ID=2... What you get in the US is choice - and as a software engineer, you have the money to make those choices. Shop at Whole…

For a fair comparison, what percentage of meat bought in US grocery stores follows the most basic German butchering standards?

It's true that any given German grocery store has fewer choices than any given US one, but extrapolating that to "there are no choices" is absurd. Germany has more choices of grocery store, and in both countries if you really want good meat you go to a real butcher (definitely not Whole Foods) anyway.

Your comment about universities must be a joke, or your social circle lacks any kind of discrminating ability. I've had multiple conversations with a dozen Germans about exactly this topic in the past month regarding our recruitment/hiring practices.

Re: Ask HN: Europe to East Coast, does it make sense to move at 50?

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Yes, because there are no alcohol or drug issues in Berlin! What an over the top comment. The US regardless of these issues is an enormously successful country, with some of the friendlist people when you visit (I'm from the UK originally but travel a lot).

There's a lot of alcohol and drug use in Berlin, but there are not vast open air drug markets like Kensington in Philadelphia or Skid Row in San Francisco. The issue is, indeed, "over the top."

Check Moritzplatz and Schonleinstrasse and come back here..

Re: Ask HN: Europe to East Coast, does it make sense to move at 50?

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Personal context: I am American, have lived in 9 countries on 5 continents & currently live in Europe, and am the same age as the OP.

Immersing oneself within another culture is almost always worth it, but like anything valuable there are always challenges. Psychologically, the Gartner hype cycle will apply to you and your family (replace “innovation trigger” with “new culture trigger”). Given your visa situation is unknown, what’s your backup plan if you can’t work? (e.g., go back to university, learn a new language, etc.) I can’t stress enough to have a plan here. Having one partner being productive in a new culture while the other is mired in the “trough of disillusionment” for a long time is a recipe for immense family/financial strife.

A good starting point for financial questions you might ask yourself:

• Will your children go to private ($$$$) or public schools?

• Will your partner’s employer pay for tax preparation and for how long? Finding international tax people, let alone competent ones, in the USA is extremely difficult & $$$$. Do not underestimate how Byzantine/inane/amoral the US tax system is.

• How are you handling international banking & investments? (Goes with the tax part above)

• How are you handling private pension contributions? (Goes with the tax part above; *warning*: different governments may not recognize foreign pensions and instead treat them as taxable investment accounts…. Tread *very* carefully here.)

• How are public social taxes handled between DE & the USA? (e.g., US $$$ into Social Security is credited as DE €€€? Or just time credits to qualify for a DE pubic pension? Where will you retire, the USA or DE?)

• Are there any social taxes that need to still be paid in DE while you are in the USA in order to use healthcare, education, etc.? (for your return, in case your partner looses her job, kids want to go to DE university, etc.)

• How will you establish credit? Remember, you are starting with no credit history so large purchases (car, etc.) will be difficult. Especially in the USA where credit is the norm.

• Will you rent or buy a home? Can you qualify for a mortgage and if so, when?

• How can you obtain a US drivers license? (e.g., Can your DE one be instantly swapped for a NJ one? Or will you have to take a drivers test? If so, does that require you pay for drivers school? Does your new license have restrictions on car types that you can drive and for how long?)

• Is your partner’s company paying for shipping of your furniture, etc.? Or will you buy everything new? What about electronics that need to be replaced? (e.g., vacuum cleaners, kettles, etc.)

• What is the best visa for you & your partner? *warning*: Do some research or pay for independent legal counsel here. Remember that the types of visas that your partner’s company will suggest/initially sponsor may be in their best interests and not yours. Can you qualify for a visa independent of your spouse? (i.e., so that your whole family isn’t 100% dependent on your partner being at her current employer.) Are there any preferential visas available to you via DE/USA treaties? (E.g., E1/E2, etc.) This area can be really expensive to fix afterwards, so make sure you get what’s best for you.

• Is your partner’s company paying for “home visits”? (e.g., return flights to DE 2x a year, etc.) If so, for how long?

The above is just a starting point, but I’m sure the “global mobility industry” has others to be found.

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