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Re: Ask HN: Recommend employers with positive social impact

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For those looking for high impact career pathways, I highly recommend going through 80,000 hours guides, they have a job board they update every week or so as well. More longtermist focused but also plenty of global health, environmental, nuclear stuff too.

https://80000hours.org/job-board/

Re: Ask HN: Recommend employers with positive social impact

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I'm the cofounder of Math ANEX, we help schools better understand how their students are thinking about math so they can offer better instruction/support for their students.

We are about to share a couple more positions in ~a month. A developer, a sales position, and a math question designer. Feel free to email me jeremy@mathanex.com

Re: Ask HN: Recommend employers with positive social impact

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Companies by their nature are driven by profit motives and in almost no circumstances have a positive impact on the world. They exist to exploit people and resources to the benefit of their owners. Even the most well meaning startups I've worked with eventual devolve into doing "harm with a smile" to their customers. In my experience, as a rule of thumb, the more altruistic the mission the more horrific the actual behavior (be more skeptical of CEO/Founders pitching a desire to "help people", it will start that way but one day you'll be selling your user info to big pharma to exploit them for every penny).

I've worked for the Federal Government, thinking it would provide some "good work", and I personally found that to be pretty off putting. Most of the people I interacted with were bureaucrats obsessed with defending and expanding the little bit of power they had, with very little interest in serving the public. However there were a high number of people who were seriously committed to changing the world. So if you want to meet some of these people government work can open some other doors (just bewared it might leave you ultimately disenchanted).

The best place I've found for doing "good" work is the odd, small team doing research at a university. I say this a someone who has a lot of frustrations with academia as well, but there are small pockets of people doing cool research to make the world better that need technical skill to help (academia is much better on the non-tenure faculty/staff side). This can be anything from biologists working to cure cancer to academic libraries building tools for students/the world. This is the most likely chance you have to be in a room filled with smart people all seriously interested in doing work for the benefit of the world. I have long hoped to find the right team to one day land on, but that will have to wait until later in my career because...

One major, major catch: expected to severely cut your comp. Salary information is public for both publicly funded universities and the federal government. Go look up what software engineers make at these places and you'll see sub-100k salaries are far more common than not. 15 years ago the gap wasn't as big (and the recession might send us back to that world), but today you have to really, really not care about comp.

I used to do meaningful work for universities, I had a lot of fun interacting with students and brainstorming with clever people not driven by any profit motive. Unfortunately the gap in pay became too much. I make more than 5 times what I used to back then, but do miss waking up in the morning as asking "what's the best thing I can do for the world with my time today?"

Re: Ask HN: Recommend employers with positive social impact

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> This doesn't seem like compelling evidence without diving into why Fair enough, but not only is a company pushing us towards renewable energy better than a company resisting that better in the abstract, the real issue is the specific companies that the ESG index kept while booting Tesla. https://slate.com/technology/2016/12/exxon-mobil-is-the-wors... https://www.npr.org/2019/10/22/772241282/exxon-is-on-trial-a... h…

Those articles are about old actions of the company. Those issues have led to changes that cause the company to be on the list now. They are spending billions on reducing emissions, researching alternative fuels, and partnering with renewable companies. Meanwhile, Tesla and Musk have a very recent historical pattern of not caring about environmental regulations, with no indication of any change in belief or practice.…

Here's some newer articles about recent and even ongoing sketchy behavior by Exxon:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jan/18/exxon-te...

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/28/california-subpoenas-exxon-f...

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/may/11/exxon-ad...

https://grist.org/beacon/did-exxon-know-about-plastics-too/

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-labor-board-impou...

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/mass-top-court-skep...

When a company has literally decades of bad behavior (including multiple instances of being caught and then promising to do better and then being caught lying about it), it's a little hard to immediately accept at face value their most recent good deeds (especially since even some of them are already looking shady).

Re: Ask HN: Recommend employers with positive social impact

#126
consider first determining exactly what kind of impact you would like your work to have

looking for something "positive" without principled and reasoned motivation to prefer any particular outcome is a great way to get yourself taken advantage of, or to make yourself a cog in a machine that takes advantage of others

do you know how you want to change the world? if so, go work on it. if you're not sure how to achieve a well defined objective, then read, study, try things, and talk to people until you have a better idea. if your objective is vague, think about it until it's not

if you want something "positive" but don't really know what, the first step is emphatically not to go join somebody else's movement, the first step is to determine precisely what positive means to you, then reason from first principles how to get there

Re: Ask HN: Recommend employers with positive social impact

#127

We're hiring at Gravity, a carbon accounting firm. Shoot me an email if you're interested in helping us fight climate change and grow revenue fast: ted@gravityclimate.com.

I attempted to visit y'all's website, but I get a DNS error? WHOIS shows it as registered though?

Re: Ask HN: Recommend employers with positive social impact

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I work at The MITRE Corporation. We're a not-for-profit that runs Federally Funded Research and Development Centers and works directly with industry and government agencies. More specifically, I work in the Center for Advanced Aviation Systems Development on developing AI/ML and applying systems engineering to improve aviation safety and transportation safety (including autonomous vehicles).

It's a really interesting, impactful place to work. We work on everything from tracking illegal fishing, improving microweather meteorological modeling, applying GNNs to model air congestion, preventing aviation safety accidents, addressing inequity in criminal sentencing, and finding gaps in transparency and accountability for federal coronavirus aid.

I like that we have good work-life balance, get to use the latest tech, publish papers and open-source code, work on challenging and impactful problems, and have a strong commitment to working in the public interest making the world a safer place.

Re: Ask HN: Recommend employers with positive social impact

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Well said. I agree with everything you say except perhaps the focus on politicians. It's a group of people self selected for the ability to sell us a vision with only a distant, vague prospect of realizing it. On the other hand, there are non-profits with readily visible outcomes.

> It's a group of people self selected for the ability to sell us a vision with only a distant, vague prospect of realizing it. That's unnecessarily and destructively cynical. There are plenty of politicians (and others working for governments) at all levels who are there to do a good job. The showboats and bad actors (which are almost coextensive) of course by definition get most of the press. Don't let them distrac…

The whole point of checks and balances is to deal with the cold reality that politicians can't be trusted. But they can still be useful! As long as the system of elections work, they need to find a set of policy priorities that builds a winning coalition.

That leads me to the conclusion that the best way to influence politics is not through the politician themselves, but through advocacy groups that can shift the political incentives.

Even the politicians celebrated by history made awful compromises to maintain a winning coalition. LBJ's relationship with MLK for example.

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