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Re: Ask HN: Where are you going to find long-form content online these days?

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How do you avoid the problem of low signal to noise ratio? Some books in the popular business press can be reduced to several pages, with the core idea, rationale, and examples. Yet they all end up being longer than needed with tons of exposition.

I wonder why publishers seem to lean towards 500-pages books. Very complex ideas have been expressed in 10-page articles, spreading probably much smaller amount of information across hundreds of pages does not help.

While I agree with you about the observation that many non-fiction books seem unnecessarily padded with filler, I think it’s because otherwise the book looks physically inferior and/or would be expected to cost less. And they’ve decided that this is the page count that optimises sales, instead of optimising reader satisfaction.

If someone’s at the book shop and see a bunch of one-inch thick books and a small 20 page pamphlet, they’d expect the pamphlet to sell for a fraction of the price. Or be tempted for the thicker book because “the author clearly did more work.”

Re: Ask HN: Where are you going to find long-form content online these days?

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Books Seriously. Books are the ultimate long-form content; their authors typically spend years researching and writing them, and you can sample many reviews before committing to read one.

How do you avoid the problem of low signal to noise ratio? Some books in the popular business press can be reduced to several pages, with the core idea, rationale, and examples. Yet they all end up being longer than needed with tons of exposition.

At this point I pretty much just read histories, mostly written by academics, and fiction. Most popular press books are simply garbage and almost anything written for the business community is likewise garbage.

Re: Ask HN: Where are you going to find long-form content online these days?

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Podcasts. TRIGGERnometry: https://audioboom.com/channels/4991237.rss Lex Fridman Podcast: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ Science & Futurism with Isaac Arthur: https://feeds.soundcloud.com/users/soundcloud:users:23460834... The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast: https://feeds.megaphone.fm/ADV2256857693

I've really been enjoying Triggernometry. They really aren't afraid to discuss important topics.

Re: Ask HN: Where are you going to find long-form content online these days?

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Non-tech and non-news (and not even that long), but I have to plug https://www.themarginalian.org/ (previously called "brain pickings"). The author reads voraciously and follows common threads across many works, compiling her thoughts into articles which often contain beautiful prose in their own right. I often pickup book recs from here that get me into reading about art, poetry, love, spirituality, and more, which…

In a similar vein is Commonplace by Cedric Chin. Think a Stratechery that analyzes individuals, not corporations. Has great summaries and read/don't read recommendations on book. One of the few blogs I didn't end up unsubscribing from in annoyance.

https://commoncog.com/blog/

Re: Ask HN: Where are you going to find long-form content online these days?

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Podcasts. TRIGGERnometry: https://audioboom.com/channels/4991237.rss Lex Fridman Podcast: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ Science & Futurism with Isaac Arthur: https://feeds.soundcloud.com/users/soundcloud:users:23460834... The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast: https://feeds.megaphone.fm/ADV2256857693

My tips would be (a bit different than those maybe):

- Fall of Civilizations podcast (Has few but some absolutely gorgeous, long episodes).

- People I mostly admire

- Freakonomics (earlier episodes better than current IMO)

- The Joy of X

- Numberphile and The 3b1b podcast

- In Our Time (BBC)

Re: Ask HN: Where are you going to find long-form content online these days?

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post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder why publishers seem to lean towards 500-pages books. Very complex ideas have been expressed in 10-page articles, spreading probably much smaller amount of information across hundreds of pages does not help.

While I agree with you about the observation that many non-fiction books seem unnecessarily padded with filler, I think it’s because otherwise the book looks physically inferior and/or would be expected to cost less. And they’ve decided that this is the page count that optimises sales, instead of optimising reader satisfaction. If someone’s at the book shop and see a bunch of one-inch thick books and a small 20 page…

I have the same feeling, however personally I'd prefer thin book to a thicker one even for a greater price in most cases, mostly because I just dont have enough time/stamina to dig through graphomaniac texts.

Re: Ask HN: Where are you going to find long-form content online these days?

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I find them either on https://longreads.com/ or in a couple of indie magazines I follow (like for example this one: https://logicmag.io/ )

Happy to see someone beat me to the recommendation of longreads.com, I get their weekly newsletter and have found some really great pieces there that I wouldn't have seen otherwise.

Re: Ask HN: Where are you going to find long-form content online these days?

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Books Seriously. Books are the ultimate long-form content; their authors typically spend years researching and writing them, and you can sample many reviews before committing to read one.

I’d like there to be a “reader sophistication” metric that works similar to “you may also like” recommendations, e.g., if I look up Gene Wolfe, it gives me sci-fi authors in his vicinity of reading level or greater. I know that some have done this with lexical analysis of the text itself via LSA, but the results produce many false positives (i.e., high proximity).

Re: Ask HN: Where are you going to find long-form content online these days?

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A cautionary message from someone who used to think long form content equals quality and indepth coverage: Long form content in magazines still used to have limited pages. So there needed to be a balance between information and prose. So even in long prose, the content was well edited, every sentence brought something important to the table. Nowadays, on the web, an article could have infinite length without any limi…

Yes, it's mainly because Google started using a similar heuristic a few years ago: length equals quality. Or so the SEO world concluded. It may not have been true; correlation != causation is not a popular concept in SEO. The result is publishers and marketers padding content to achieve some imaginary ideal length. It's why recipes, for example, have hundreds of words of irrelevant crap at the beginning.

That said, the long-form essay is an ancient genre—much older than the modern magazine article—and they have always been filled with "irrelevant" asides, tangents, artistic flourishes, and so on. Concisely conveying their "central message" wasn't the primary point of the form, and people who enjoyed that type of essay wouldn't expect a linear explanation of the topic. The prose style, imaginative complexity, unexpected comparisons, digressions, and explorations were integral to the genre.

Sadly, great essays of that type take a long time to write and edit, and most people aren't interested in reading them. So we get long, repetitive, unimaginative junk instead.

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