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Re: Ask HN: What is your system for backing up family photos and video?

#121
I'm surprised how technical and homegrown all these solutions are (well, it's an HN crowd so maybe I shouldn't be). I'm a techy too and pretty into photography, but I've gone the other way.

I store all my photos on a desktop computer and use BackBlaze to automatically keep everything backed up.

It violates the 3-2-1 rule but in the 10ish years I've been using this approach I've had tons of harddrive failures, had to restore some backups due to my own mistakes, but I haven't lost a single image.

I used to do complicated sync stuff but I found that the more moving pieces there were the more I would lose photos for various reasons.

Re: Ask HN: What is your system for backing up family photos and video?

#122
1. I have an Amazon Prime subscription, and we get Amazon Photos with it. Any photos taken on our phones are automatically uploaded there (I don't recall if these are original resolution or not)

2. Periodically I take photos and videos off our phones and store them on my desktop PC, imported into Lightroom. They are stored on 5400rpm HDDs in mirrored RAID config

3. I get terabytes of OneDrive space with my Microsoft package (I can't remember the name of it right now!), and it automatically uploads all the media from my desktop PC

4. I also have Seafile installed on the desktop, and it automatically uploads everything to my Seafile server, which uses Azure Blob Storage

Re: Ask HN: What is your system for backing up family photos and video?

#123
Synology NAS, using Synology Photos (installed on my phone + wife's phone for photo backups). The NAS is backed up nightly using Synology C2. I also have a local standalone disk. We also both use Google Photos - although not all photos on here and ideally I wouldn't use it, the utility is so strong it's hard to say no to it.

I did used to use Mylio [1] which is a really lovely solution that uses a sort of internal P2P approach - your images don't go near a cloud host if you don't want them to. It just keeps your "vaults" updated with each other - a vault can be on a NAS / desktop / mobile. The issue I had with it was that the mobile scenario is a bit shonky - required you to have your phone on at the same time as one of your other vaults in order to sync mobile photos, and that proved too fiddly to maintain.

[1] https://mylio.com/

Re: Ask HN: What is your system for backing up family photos and video?

#125
post #45

> What is your system for backing up family photos and videos to stand the test of time? In addition to the other good answers, a box full a printed photos will stand the test of time.

professionally printed ones, yes. However, finding a good print service has become a real hassle and most photos that I printed start to fade after 10ish years.

The anecdata of my random Walgreen photos seem to be holding up pretty well in the living room and hallway environment that they live in. We have some done from their "photo copy" machines from 20 years ago. Mind, I don't have master originals to do a side by side comparison, but using the Mark 1 Eyeball, they look fine. They're doing much better than my 50 year old polaroid.

While I can print photos, it's typically far easier and cheaper to have Walgreens do it.

Re: Ask HN: What is your system for backing up family photos and video?

#126
post #101

Since I am also an avid DSLR photographer, the first decision I made was to use Adobe Lightroom (Classic) as the "single source of truth" to manage all our photos. This means obviously importing all photos taken via my DSLR into Lightroom, but also syncing all photos taken on our iPhones via the Lightroom Mobile App. Lightroom Classic keeps all the (compressed) photos in the Adobe cloud for easy sharing and browsing,…

You could also make the Arq backups in your S3 bucket immutable, for more ransomware protection.

That's why I love Stefan and Arq Backup :-)

Re: Ask HN: What is your system for backing up family photos and video?

#127

My friend and I built https://pixaver.com . It doesn’t address all of the points you note here, but it does offer some piece of mind if we get locked out of Google Photos.

Congrats on building such a nice tool! I‘d gladly pay for something self-hosted, or some tool that allows me to download it on my own hardware. I don‘t want to solve the problem by A) paying even more money every month, much less even more than for Google Drive & Photos storage itself! B) uploading my personal photos to a completely untrusted provider (at least I can trust Google to some degree to not leak my photos…

Those are fair points and thoughts I’d probably have myself. I’m not trying to sell you on this, but here are my responses to your two notes.

The first is that we know it’s more expensive than Google Photos storage. That’s in part so that we can actually fund development. As a small operation we can’t run it as a loss-leader or make up revenue from other channels like Google could.

The second is that we’ve been somewhat vetted through Google’s application process. We’ve also been building things for the web for 20+ years. Admittedly, trust is hard to earn from folks you don’t know, but we are decent people.

To be honest, Pixaver probably isn’t right for most folks on HN as most here are pretty technical. (I’m just a daily reader here, and spotted this thread, so I thought I’d share it.)

We’ve geared this more for people like my mom who don’t want to set up a local hard drive or do anything even remotely technical. For someone like her, it’s a couple of clicks to having a second backup without needing to do anything additional. :-)

Re: Ask HN: What is your system for backing up family photos and video?

#128
Howdy! I'm an early digital photography adopter (1998), so I started feeling this pain a while back.

After the fourth photo service I had migrated to went out of business (and Picasa was then cancelled), I realized I needed something that wouldn't go away on me, and started working on PhotoStructure, a self-hosted photo and video "digital asset manager" that does automatic organization and deduplication to sweep everything into a single, neat, timestamped pile, and, critically, _keeps my original files intact_.

The point isn't to use PhotoStructure, specifically, but to use an application that you could walk away from and not be heartbroken, because that app used a standard filesystem hierarchy, and used standards to store any metadata changes.

My beta users asked me "how do I keep my stuff safe?" so many times, I ended up doing a bunch of research and wrote up this article, which discusses file integrity, why "3-2-1 backups" isn't really what you want, and how to go from there:

https://photostructure.com/faq/how-do-i-safely-store-files

Know that Google Photos is a great _secondary_ backup, but even in "original mode", what you upload aren't always the same bytes as what you download--their API strips off GPS metadata, I've seen changed captured-at times and exposure information changed after the round-trip through GP. (iPhone uploads, in "original" mode may survive the round-trip, but the point is that it's not something they guarantee).

I'd recommend using one of several mobile apps that will backup your original bytes directly to your computer at home. There are three I've tested and listed here: https://photostructure.com/faq/how-do-i-safely-store-files/#...

I'd also recommend using a filesystem on your home server that can detect media errors. I discussed that, and what cloud storage backups I recommend in the above article, as well.

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OK, so, now that you've got your stuff safe, let me tell you a story.

My Mom and Dad passed away almost a decade ago, and left several boxes filled with albums, shoeboxes and loose photos.

Almost none of the photos had dates on them. The albums had no writing in them, and most of the photos were of locations or people that I didn't recognize.

It took a while, browsing through these images, to realize that these images had relevance to only my parents: and maybe only the parent taking the photo.

Without additional context, these boxes of memories were almost entirely irrelevant to the next generation.

It was a punishing realization for me. I know these boxes were important and relevant to my parents, but all but a handful of photos had relevance to me.

Digital photography at least has a modicum of metadata automatically.

But you should still consider you "heirloom" of hundreds of thousands of photos and videos to be _irrelevant by default_ to the next generation.

So, how can you add relevance to your corpus of imagery?

I think that can be helped to some extent with

1. software (PhotoStructure shows random "samples" of years to deal with browsing through gigantic libraries, and displays "streams" of related photos using common metadata attributes to browse across hierarchical trees)

2. rating and pruning (so people can browse only the "best"), but

3. I think the real answer to avoiding irrelevance is for you to tell the story behind the image to give it context and relevance. It doesn't have to be a novel, but even a couple words can inoculate the album from irrelevance.

Good luck!

Re: Ask HN: What is your system for backing up family photos and video?

#129

Related question, how does everyone get the family photos grouped together in the first place? My family are all taking photos on their own devices during a vacation, holiday, gathering, etc. and then someone creates a shared Album on Photos (iOS) where everyone just dumps all the photos taken. It's a complete mess in my opinion. WE have a shared album "Christmas 2018", "Holidays 2019", "Xmas'20", etc. depending on w…

I use Google photos with Google One for sharing with family. My mom can figure it out and that says a lot about how easy it is.

Works across all grandparents and I used one of their auto upload a face (I'm sure that's the technical term for it) to automatically send a photos of the grandkids to the grandparents. This makes the whole system worthwhile, I get comments from them constantly about how much they love the auto photo albums.

Re: Ask HN: What is your system for backing up family photos and video?

#130
We've been building ente[1] as an e2ee alternative to Google Photos.

Posterity is something we've been thinking deeply about. Our infrastructure is designed to support successors, similar to GitHub[2]. But since cloud storage is expensive, successors will have to choose between exporting a local copy[3] or paying for the newly accumulated data.

We are still designing this "feature". If you think we can do better, please let me know. We would be grateful for any feedback. :)

[1]: https://ente.io

[2]: https://docs.github.com/en/account-and-profile/setting-up-an...

[3]: https://ente.io/faq/migration/out-of-ente/

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