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Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#121
I lost my Mom to cancer several years ago. I'm really sorry you have to go through this.

0) make sure legal stuff is taken care of, like her medical directive, a family trust, and a will. It won't be a fun discussion, but make sure you know what she wants, especially with respect to what life-extending efforts she wants you to do.

1) her doctor harangued us to perform extremely invasive, expensive, late-stage treatments, even though it would, best case, extend her mostly vegetative state a month or two. If you're their medical executor, don't get bullied. It helps to have someone else to collaborate decisions with.

2) give yourself some slack, emotionally. You may feel guilty that you aren't feeling "the right thing," or feeling "sad enough," or burdening people around you by feeling "too sad." _Whatever you're feeling is legitimate._

3) take care of yourself. Eat well, try to get good sleep, and get regular exercise. You may not want to, but you deserve to maintain your own health.

4) try to record any family-famous stories she has to share, or really any historical anecdotes that may spark joy. Just a couple minutes every other day—it doesn't need to be a big ordeal. Seeing and hearing her in a decade will be priceless.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#122

I have gone through this situation. In 2002 my mother passed away from cancer. It was by far the hardest and lowest point in my life. I won't go on about all the difficulties because they're too painful and personal to me, and your mother may not be terminal, but mine was so I'll speak from that experience. Here's what I wish I would have done more of: 1. Spend as much time as possible. Lay by her, watch TV, eat toge…

This is solid advice. I wish I had done better at #1, #2, and #5 when my father got sick and died from cancer, but I didn’t understand how fleeting life is and how brutal cancer is.

Having witnessed and supported other loved ones who subsequently succumbed to cancer, I’ve learned to appreciate all of the recommendations laid out above and not underestimate time or cancer.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#123
Given your generalized query, I can only give some general advice for family caregivers. It may even sound shocking or cold at first, but you need to remember to make your own health your number one priority. It rarely makes sense to sacrifice your own well-being to care for others. Sacrifice can be a romantic notion but it is ultimately short-sighted in real life. You need to maintain strength, health, and security (physical, emotional, social, and financial) to not only handle today's events but to handle later events which might be just as challenging if not more so. To provide stable, ongoing support, you need yourself to be stable and functional for the long term.

So, be careful not to exceed your capacity, and make corrections if you find yourself in decline already. Don't be afraid to seek help for yourself. A loved one's cancer diagnosis does not mean you should tough it out and ignore your own "lesser" issues. Many people can over do it and feel the negative impacts with some weeks or months of delay. The delay in effect can also make it harder to recognize what is really at the root of new emotional or behavioral struggles.

On the other side, you might see if support groups or clinical social workers can steer you towards available services. Sometimes, you ought to engage the help of others whether they are charitable/free or paid services. It is not always realistic to do it all yourself, and you may not even know enough to identify the needs and relevant services yet.

Once you have recognized the limits of what you can contribute, you might also recognize where you feel conflicted between work and family. Unless you are independently wealthy, you probably need to preserve your job while providing care. But, you might start to see some aspects of your job or career which could be renegotiated either temporarily or permanently. Are there things you could offload to your teammates or your boss in order to manage your stress level and balance? Do you find your priorities in life shifting with a new perspective gained from the health crisis?

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#124

It's tough but the toughest part you're encountering is the newness of it. When my mom was diagnosed I was a wreck. Then it evened out a bit and now that she's nearing the end, I'm a wreck again. There's an emotional pointedness to these types of things that dulls a bit with time. I would say just be with her and help out where you can, be normal, do normal things (as much as possible), chat. Maybe cook some food to…

> It's tough but the toughest part you're encountering is the newness of it. When my mom was diagnosed I was a wreck. Then it evened out a bit and now that she's nearing the end, I'm a wreck again. There's an emotional pointedness to these types of things that dulls a bit with time. That really resonates with me. My mom was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer a few months ago. It was a roller coaster ride of emotions. Now…

An observation I have seen shared in the context of progressive or terminal conditions is that one can experience mourning before a death.

This can be a very difficult emotional roller coaster if catches a person off guard, and they haven't explicitly recognized that significant emotional losses have already started accruing...

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#125
I was a student at the time, and well, didn't handle it particularly well in hindsight. Not sure I can help much with that aspect.

What I do want to say though, is if she makes it through this round, fingers crossed, ask the doctors where the cancer she got might spread to, and be very observant of changes in those areas.

I now have the sad experience of losing my dad and seeing two close friends lose one of their parents due to cancer that spread. Common for all three was that the spread wasn't detected because it happened in another area in the body, and nobody connected the dots.

In my dads case, after a year on asthma meds (he never had symptoms asthma before) the cancer was accidentally discovered in his lungs. Then the doctors say "oh yea, if the type he has spreads, it's to the lungs"...

In my dads case it would have been terminal either way, they couldn't remove it from his lungs. But it would at least have saved him over a year of needless pain and suffering before they figured out he didn't have asthma, and possibly slowed it down more.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#126
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I was fresh out of school as a developer when my mom's (terminal) cancer came back from remission. It was really difficult to focus 100%. I spent all of my vacation time from when I found out till her passing visiting her. For myself, I tried to bury myself in interesting work as much as possible; but that will only get you so far. I made a point to make as many memories with her as I could. Those activities and trip…

> Make some great memories with her, take lots of pictures and videos!

Good advice! My friend lost his mother to cancer this year. Not taking more photos and videos at the start of her illness - when she was most like herself - is one of his main regrets.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#127
Mom was diagnosed with triple negative breast cancer a few years back. Thanks to immunotherapy she's doing well, but it was an absolutely brutal road that involved surgery and lots of chemo. Not out of the woods but we're optimistic.

Anyway, a few things come to mind:

1. anticipate needs, especially as she gets further into chemo. Blueberry and spinach shakes with protein power was something she found vaguely palatable after infusions, so I kept the ingredients on deck if she woke up in the middle of the night hungry and in pain. Small example but stringing enough of the small things together is hugely supportive, which goes a long way psychologically.

2. Ice her hands and feet 15 minutes before chemo infusions and throughout. Does a lot to fight neuropathy, which is awful. She came out relatively unscathed; a friend hers who didn't ice has issues walking.

3. bit of a continuation from 2: cancer treatment is full of small horrors. Is her port going to get fucked up? Is she going to have a reaction to this new drug? It goes on. Gear up for it. I kept an internal dialog that went like "harden the fuck up, get through this shit for her, not you." Corny but useful.

4. Walk the line between being helpful and being overbearing. My mom hated being "the cancer patient". She needed support but didn't want to be babied.

5. Have her join a cancer group. My mom has made some incredible connections with people also fighting breast and other cancers.

6. Moderate what you're reading online and don't go too far down the rabbit hole. You'll hear this from her oncologist and others too. Obvious reflex but counterproductive

It won't be easy but I wish you both good luck. Medicine is getting pretty good.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#128

Mom was diagnosed with triple negative breast cancer a few years back. Thanks to immunotherapy she's doing well, but it was an absolutely brutal road that involved surgery and lots of chemo. Not out of the woods but we're optimistic. Anyway, a few things come to mind: 1. anticipate needs, especially as she gets further into chemo. Blueberry and spinach shakes with protein power was something she found vaguely palatab…

Could you please let me know the details of the immunotherapy your mom had? Based on my reading, i thought immunotherapy is not administered for breast cancer. Your response would help me save my mom.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#129
I'm sorry that this is happening to you and your family. My mother was diagnosed with breast cancer in my final year of university. She had surgery and chemo and had an 80% chance of permanent remission. In my third year working as a SWE, her cancer returned. She lived another year.

A minister visited us the morning after she passed. They said some things that I needed to hear: Death is common. Grief is part of life. The pain lessens with time.

Here's my advice to you:

1. You will have inconsistent productivity and lower overall productivity. Talk openly with your manager about it. Every two weeks, have a 5-minute one-on-one meeting with them and ask for their opinion on your recent performance and their expectations. If your manager is unwilling to do this, then switch teams or jobs ASAP.

2. Talk with a trained therapist once every 1-2 weeks. They can teach you critical skills. Attend the free 10-day Goenka Vipassana meditation course. I did both of these things years later. I wish I had done them earlier. Also help your family members to get therapy and learn the skills, especially your father.

3. Dedicate some time every week to researching your mother's disease and treatment. Frankly, humanity's knowledge of cancer is still rudimentary. You can learn it. Clinicians just do what they learned in med school. You can find the researchers who specialize in your mother's particular kind of cancer, read their papers, contact them, and get her into a trial. If I had done this, my mother could have participated in one of the early trials of the TIL cancer treatment [0] and could possibly have been cured.

4. Call and visit your family members more frequently. Take short selfie videos with your mom. Also take short videos of her with people you care for. Take trips together. Send your Mom & Dad on a nice vacation. I recommend Waikiki.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumor-infiltrating_lymphocytes

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#130
My father was diagnosed with a rare form of lymph node cancer five years ago. It is generally fatal. Over the six months after his diagnosis, he received radiation, chemotherapy and surgery. At the chemotherapy stage, he described simply wanting to die and only continuing because of his connections to his family. But he survived after surgery and has been cancer-free since.

I don't know if there's any good advice for coping with this stuff. The only compensation I can offer is you're probably at the worse part now - pain and uncertainty is the worst. If a person lives or if a person dies, it's done, it's easier.

Words of my father - "Dying quickly is easiest for the person dying and hardest on their loved-one. Dying slowly is hardest in the person dying and easiest on the loved-ones (because they can say good bye)". I don't know if that's true but it shows there are no easy answers.

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