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Ask HN: What are decentralized Twitter alternatives?

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Re: Ask HN: What are decentralized Twitter alternatives?

#121
There are two approaches:

* The federated approach, where many Twitter like sites can interconnect and exchange messages. One current example of this is Mastodon, older examples are Status.net/Identi.ca

* An indie approach, where everyone basically hosts their own profile and there are no Twitter like sites at all, one instead uses readers that are completely separate from ones hosted profile, just like it was in the blogosphere days. One example of this is https://indieweb.org/

I favor the indie approach as the federated approach seems to in practice often end up with interoperability issues and mono-cultures, at least historically. + there’s still central providers, just a few more than in the case of Twitter, whereas in the indie world everyone is basically a provider themselves and one can eg. put up a static site and use that (through various Micropub tricks and such)

Re: Ask HN: What are decentralized Twitter alternatives?

#122

PMs: Email. Posts: Blog. [XML-RPC if you wanna email from your phone to your blog. Different post-type or tag for 'like' vs 'post' (heck, invent any 'like' 'like' you like).] Follow: RSS. It's all there and decentralised for years, just not in a polished package of a 140 character comment, and likely requires more than 15 seconds of thinking. Actually really straightforward. Only tricky thing would be SMS but that's.…

Micropub is a more recent alternative to XML-RPC: https://indieweb.org/Micropub

Re: Ask HN: What are decentralized Twitter alternatives?

#123

i have a question for signal users. what happens when signal will be used by teams to organise the capitol building style attacks? or a disinformation campaign by a crony government? or racial message storms that make rounds on whatsapp (why they introduced the 5 forward limit)

They called it Springtime in Egypt.

Re: Ask HN: What are decentralized Twitter alternatives?

#124

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Definitely cute, short and playful. It has the downside that "toot" is also used as a more polite, kid-friendly word for fart. Though I do love the thought of hearing a newscaster saying something like "Breaking news: President Trump has just tooted, and critics are calling it inappropriate and disgusting."

"Tweet" sounded ridiculous at the beginning too. Everyone has just gotten used to it.

And the more trivial derivation "Twit" would have been even worse. Meanwhile "Tweeter" sounds terrible

Re: Ask HN: What are decentralized Twitter alternatives?

#125

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This is like complaining that a public street isn’t free because people can walk away if they don’t want to deal with you.

No, it's like me telling you that you can't be talking to 'tgsovlerkhgsel, or I'll start petitioning everyone you know to stop talking to you, giving each of them the same ultimatum to ensure maximum compliance. The toxic part here isn't someone banning/defederating you, but someone who didn't ban/defederate you getting threatened by others that they'd better do that or else everyone else will defederate them.

The point is that this isn't a characteristic of the platform but of the users. The users don't want to be federated with someone who is federated with someone they don't like.

How do you fix that, just force everyone to federate with each other? How do you stop people from forking their own clients to remove the forced federation?

Re: Ask HN: What are decentralized Twitter alternatives?

#126

While somewhat offtopic, an important question is why would you want one ? IMHO the main issue of Twitter is not even the way how it's now a walled garden (and since recently, effectively outside of the Web). It's how the combination of a ~~140~~ 280† character limit, personal walls, hashtags, likes and an horribly hard to navigate comment system has resulted in a medium where constructive debate is almost impossible…

There's this sort of thing, definitely, but I'll note that Facebook lacks many of these features, and is still a toxic environment, although perhaps less overtly so.

My own guess is that the most fundamental problem is that Dunbar's number is real, and bad things happen if you blow past it. Large scale human communication works best when it is not modeled as an endless, 24/7 masquerade ball where the theme of the party is bullhorns.

Re: Ask HN: What are decentralized Twitter alternatives?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

While Mastodon and Diaspora may be distinctly bad names, perhaps you don't need a great name either. Take Facebook, for example. Even with Twitter, I think there are probably thousands of words that would sound as natural as "tweet" if people were constantly saying it (and shouldn't it be "twit" anyway?).

The person with a twitter account could then be a ‘twat’

In the early days of Twitter, a guest asked Colbert if he'd used it and Colbert replied "I have twatted."

Re: Ask HN: What are decentralized Twitter alternatives?

#128

While somewhat offtopic, an important question is why would you want one ? IMHO the main issue of Twitter is not even the way how it's now a walled garden (and since recently, effectively outside of the Web). It's how the combination of a ~~140~~ 280† character limit, personal walls, hashtags, likes and an horribly hard to navigate comment system has resulted in a medium where constructive debate is almost impossible…

for better discussion, 280 would be a minimum rather than a maximum, but twitter doesn't want better discussion as that also depresses engagement.

Re: Ask HN: What are decentralized Twitter alternatives?

#130
There is a crypto project by the imfamous Tim called SAV3 launching soon. It aims to be a decentralized, uncensorable Twitter alternative. Definitely worth a look:

Medium: https://thetimtempleton.medium.com/what-is-sav3-d31ccb979ea1

Testnet: https://testnet.sav3.org/

Website: https://sav3.org/

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