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Re: Ask HN: Co-founder wants me to leave but won't entertain a buy out offer

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Can I give you some advice that really sucks? Walk away. It's not fair, but starting a company isn't like getting a job. It's a relationship and a risk that doesn't always work out. Sometimes you find more money and success than you could ever dream of, and other times you waste 11 months. Here's my thought process. You and your cofounder aren't going to be able to work together after this. The company has no money a…

I'm sorry but this is a ridiculous advice.

Re: Ask HN: Co-founder wants me to leave but won't entertain a buy out offer

#122

Can I give you some advice that really sucks? Walk away. It's not fair, but starting a company isn't like getting a job. It's a relationship and a risk that doesn't always work out. Sometimes you find more money and success than you could ever dream of, and other times you waste 11 months. Here's my thought process. You and your cofounder aren't going to be able to work together after this. The company has no money a…

I'm sorry but this is a ridiculous advice.

It's the plot of a movie that nobody on this thread wants to watch, but that doesn't make it bad advice.

Re: Ask HN: Co-founder wants me to leave but won't entertain a buy out offer

#123
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I'd say first things first. You have 11 months and a one year cliff. Find a way to stall for a month and your position gets much stronger. This is a great environment to find a way to stall. Tell your co-founder to write up a proposal so that you can have a lawyer look at it. That's easy to turn into a month of stalling.

The reason this is happening right now is because the other founder is well aware of that cliff and losing 10% going forward.

Sure. This is essentially calling that bluff in a reasonable way.

Re: Ask HN: Co-founder wants me to leave but won't entertain a buy out offer

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post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a new startup, I'd assume that the technical co-founder is doing a lot of maintenance and automation to keep everything running smoothly. Why not let something break, and then they'd have a stronger negotiation position? I can't imagine (but would be very impressed with tech co-founder) if a year old system could run without any maintenance for a month. Seems also unlikely that tech co-founder could be replaced fa…

> Why not let something break Because this is the professional equivalent of shitting in your hand and throwing it at the wall? The fact that an adult would suggest abdicating any professionalism and just letting a site with 60k users and investment backing start to break to prove a point is astounding.

The non-technical co-founder is trying to steal the fruits of OPs labor and slash his equity by more than 90%.

This isn't sabotage, it's a labor strike until an equitable agreement is found.

Re: Ask HN: Co-founder wants me to leave but won't entertain a buy out offer

#125

Can I give you some advice that really sucks? Walk away. It's not fair, but starting a company isn't like getting a job. It's a relationship and a risk that doesn't always work out. Sometimes you find more money and success than you could ever dream of, and other times you waste 11 months. Here's my thought process. You and your cofounder aren't going to be able to work together after this. The company has no money a…

I'm sorry but this is a ridiculous advice.

I would burn the entire thing to the ground and piss on its smoldering ashes before I would allow someone to take advantage of 11 months of my work just because he thinks he can make more money for himself if he positions himself as a solo founder.

Re: Ask HN: Co-founder wants me to leave but won't entertain a buy out offer

#126

Can I give you some advice that really sucks? Walk away. It's not fair, but starting a company isn't like getting a job. It's a relationship and a risk that doesn't always work out. Sometimes you find more money and success than you could ever dream of, and other times you waste 11 months. Here's my thought process. You and your cofounder aren't going to be able to work together after this. The company has no money a…

I'm sorry but this is a ridiculous advice.

on a side note: what is the amount of karma required to be able to downvote on HN?

Re: Ask HN: Co-founder wants me to leave but won't entertain a buy out offer

#127
Why should you say anything except "no"?

You own that equity even if you are not employed there.

Hang onto it ..... there's no reason you should be bullied out of it.

I've seen this situation come up a number of times. It's just bullying.... there's no legal reason for you to give up your stake.

Go watch "The Social Network" movie.

Re: Ask HN: Co-founder wants me to leave but won't entertain a buy out offer

#128
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically: Were you negligent? Assuming you weren't, it's very strange to force someone out right before their equity vests. Basically, your lawyer can understand the situation better than an internet message board can. Then, a phone call from your lawyer to your co-founder could help make your co-founder become a lot more reasonable.

> it's very strange to force someone out right before their equity vests If the business-minded folk don't fully value the tech solution I can easily see this happening. This "devil's advocate" hypothetical is not an unheard of occurrence.

Which is where the lawyer can help.

If this is the case, (and we don't know the details,) it means that the other founder was acting in bad faith. Hopefully the threat of a lawsuit is enough to solve the situation.

Re: Ask HN: Co-founder wants me to leave but won't entertain a buy out offer

#129

Can I give you some advice that really sucks? Walk away. It's not fair, but starting a company isn't like getting a job. It's a relationship and a risk that doesn't always work out. Sometimes you find more money and success than you could ever dream of, and other times you waste 11 months. Here's my thought process. You and your cofounder aren't going to be able to work together after this. The company has no money a…

I think the idea that they will not be able to work with the co-founder again really depends on the type of person that co-founder is. If the co-founder is just doing this as a strategic move, expecting things are going to become quite valuable soon and considering the 10% cliff it may be that if their strategy does not work they will not have any problem continuing the partnership - although if that is the case I would (when things became profitable/ much improved) negotiate for some kind of exit because obviously the co-founder is not trustworthy.

Re: Ask HN: Co-founder wants me to leave but won't entertain a buy out offer

#130

Can I give you some advice that really sucks? Walk away. It's not fair, but starting a company isn't like getting a job. It's a relationship and a risk that doesn't always work out. Sometimes you find more money and success than you could ever dream of, and other times you waste 11 months. Here's my thought process. You and your cofounder aren't going to be able to work together after this. The company has no money a…

You know, I like your position here dude. Keeping out of discussion the money (everyone of us work to pay bills) I think sometimes to give up maintaining a high profile is better. Anyway, the personal situation of the founders is unknown to me and dont want to talk too fast. But i get your point here.
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