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Advertisement just should not be the central means of income of content producers. I really hope this point of view gets killed together with advertisement.
> Advertisement just should not be the central means of income of content producers. Can you propose any viable alternative?
Ask HN: Can we create a new internet where search engines are irrelevant?
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Re: Ask HN: Can we create a new internet where search engines are irrelevant?
#122Centralization happens because the company owns the data, which becomes aggregated under one roof. If you distribute the data it will remove the walled gardens, multiple competitors should be able to pop up. Whole ecosystems could be built to give us 100 googles.... or 100 facebooks, where YOU control your data, and they may never even see your data. And because we're moving back to a world of open protocols, they all work with each other.
These companies aren't going to be worth billions of dollars any more.... but the world would be better.
Re: Ask HN: Can we create a new internet where search engines are irrelevant?
#123I see a lot of good comments here, I got inspired to write this: What if this new Internet instead of using URI based on ownership (domains that belong to someone), would rely on topic? In examples: netv2://speakers/reviews/BW netv2://news/anti-trump netv2://news/pro-trump netv2://computer/engineering/react/i-like-it netv2://computer/engineering/electron/i-dont-like-it A publisher of webpage (same html/http) would pu…
What if we implement DNS-like protocol for searching. Think of recursive DNS. Do you have "articles about pistachio coloured usb-c chargers"? Home router says nope, ISP says nope, Cloudflare says nope, let's scan A to Z. Eventually someone gives an answer. This of course can (must?) be cached, just like DNS. And just like DNS, it can be influenced by your not-so-neutral browser or ISP.
Re: Ask HN: Can we create a new internet where search engines are irrelevant?
#124Everyone has missed the most important aspect of search engines, from the point of view of their core function of information retrieval: they're the internet equivalent of a library index. Either you find a way to make information findable in a library without an index (how?!?) or you find a novel way to make a neutral search engine - one that provides as much value as Google but whose costs are paid in a different w…
A few years ago there was that blogs thing, with rss... all things that favoured federation, independent content generation, etc. Now it's all about platforms. I understand that "regular people" are more comfortable with Facebook but, other than that, why are blogs and forums less popular now?
b) mainstream culture > closely-knit communities (facebook > forums)
c) big-player takeovers (facebook for groups, google for search) over previously somewhat niche areas and, actually, internet infrastructure
d) if you're not a big player, you don't exist... and back to c)
Re: Ask HN: Can we create a new internet where search engines are irrelevant?
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Advertisement just should not be the central means of income of content producers. I really hope this point of view gets killed together with advertisement.
> Advertisement just should not be the central means of income of content producers. Can you propose any viable alternative?
Re: Ask HN: Can we create a new internet where search engines are irrelevant?
#126I've had this idea floating in my head for a while, that one thing that might make the world better is some kind of distributed database, and a gravitation back to open protocols (though instead of RFC's... maybe we could maintain an open source library for the important bits) I was thinking the architecture of DNS is a good starting point. From there we can create public indexes of data. This includes searchable dat…
Re: Ask HN: Can we create a new internet where search engines are irrelevant?
#127Everyone has missed the most important aspect of search engines, from the point of view of their core function of information retrieval: they're the internet equivalent of a library index. Either you find a way to make information findable in a library without an index (how?!?) or you find a novel way to make a neutral search engine - one that provides as much value as Google but whose costs are paid in a different w…
Re: Ask HN: Can we create a new internet where search engines are irrelevant?
#128Everyone has missed the most important aspect of search engines, from the point of view of their core function of information retrieval: they're the internet equivalent of a library index. Either you find a way to make information findable in a library without an index (how?!?) or you find a novel way to make a neutral search engine - one that provides as much value as Google but whose costs are paid in a different w…
- identify the book's theme
- measure the quality of the information
- determine authenticity / malicious content
- remember the position of the book in the colossal stacks
Then the librarian can start to refer people to books. This problem was actually present in libraries before the revolutionary Dewy Decimal System [1]. Libraries found that the disorganization caused too much reliance on librarians and made it hard to train replacements if anything happened.
The Internet just solved the problem by building a better librarian rather than building a better library. Personally I welcome any attempts to build a more organized internet. I don't think the communal book pile approach is scaling very well.
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_Decimal_Classification
Re: Ask HN: Can we create a new internet where search engines are irrelevant?
#129The early Web wrestled with this, early on it was going to be directories and meta keywords. But that quickly broke down (information isn't hierarchical, meta keywords can be gamed). Google rose up because they use a sort of reputation system based index. In between that, there was a company called RealNames, that tried to replace domains and search with their authoritative naming of things, but that is obviously too centralized.
But back to Google, they now promote using schema.org descriptions of pages, over page text, as do other major search engines. This has tremendous implications for precise content definition (a page that is "not about fish" won't show up in a search result for fish). Google layers it with their reputation system, but these schemas are an important, open feature available to anyone to more accurately map the web. Schema.org is based on Linked Data, its principle being each piece of data can be precisely "followed." Each schema definition is crafted by participation from industry and interest groups to generally reflect its domain. This open world model is much more suitable to the Web, compared to the closed world of a particular database (but, some companies, like Amazon and Facebook, don't adhere to it since apparently they would rather their worlds have control; witness Facebook's open graph degeneration to something that is purely self-serving).
Re: Ask HN: Can we create a new internet where search engines are irrelevant?
#130I see a lot of good comments here, I got inspired to write this: What if this new Internet instead of using URI based on ownership (domains that belong to someone), would rely on topic? In examples: netv2://speakers/reviews/BW netv2://news/anti-trump netv2://news/pro-trump netv2://computer/engineering/react/i-like-it netv2://computer/engineering/electron/i-dont-like-it A publisher of webpage (same html/http) would pu…
The idea of moving to a pub-sub like system is a good one. It makes a lot of sense for what the internet has become. It's more than simple document retreival today.