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Re: Ask HN: How do you stay disciplined in the long run?

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You don't. In the long run, you build a habit. Discipline is a short term solution to stick with something long enough to become a habit. How do you "stay disciplined" to brush your teeth every day? Chances are you just do it without thinking much about it. You don't hem and haw and read a bunch of motivational memes to gather up the willpower to brush your teeth. It's just something you automatically do. I highly re…

I also read atomic habits recently. I found it really helpful for these types of problems. As the author says, accomplishing things is brought by building good systems and forming automatic habits. Not by fighting urges off left and right. I started going to the gym again after a few years off. It was really hard at 1st to simply keep my gym schedule. Now, I go to the gym no matter what because it's simply what I do.…

Read self-help books until they all start sounding the same

Re: Ask HN: How do you stay disciplined in the long run?

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I'm convinced that almost nobody is good at the whole cycle of creating/maintaining something. Some people are great at coming up with new ideas but quickly bore with the implementation. Some people can relentlessly improve on an existing thing but can't come up with the initial idea. Some people are great stewards of an established program but don't thrive in the chaos of rapid iteration. I think instead of trying t…

I think Simon Wardley's concept of Pioneers, Settlers and Town Planners matches nicely with what you're saying about different types of people: https://blog.gardeviance.org/2015/03/on-pioneers-settlers-to...

I've noticed the same three categories discussed in two "go west" novels -- Steinbeck's East of Eden (1952) and Kesey's Sometimes a Great Notion (1962). It's interesting, and a bit jarring, to see the MBA translation of what, to me, existed as a literary aside.

Re: Ask HN: How do you stay disciplined in the long run?

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For my martial arts and meditation practice, I:

1. Established a daily routine which I do without fail

2. I used and still use a timer app that includes a streak calendar

3. I established the "normal" practice length, a stretch goal, and a "token effort"

Once the routine and habit is established, it was easier to keep it going. The "token effort" is the trivial amount of time one practices just to keep the effort going. The stretch goal is there to acknowledge you did more than expected, but also to regulate not going overboard one day to the point where you do not want to continue for the next.

There are some psychological nuances into this.

All the research, what I am going to do, etc. feeds into the practice. The practice itself changes over time.

I have been doing this seven years now, starting with sitting meditation all the way through rebooting my martial arts training involving rebuilding every aspect of how I move my body.

My initial practice all those years ago was a 5 minute practice, 10 minute stretch goal, and a 1 minute token practice. Funny thing about the token practice is that 1 min seemed even ridiculous to me, but on those days where it got hard to get started, 1 min was still just easy enough (so I thought) to try. Sometimes, 1 min passes and I find myself going on for the next minute.

There was at one point, I was doing around 1 - 3 hours of practice every day, until life changed again and I did not have as much time for that anymore.

Re: Ask HN: How do you stay disciplined in the long run?

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>Execute and get to, say, 25-50% of the journey --> Get bored --> Abandon

>I have strongly come to perceive myself as being driven by external accountabilities

These are classic ADHD symptoms, along with some of the other tells I've gotten from your description. The number one way to improve ADHD symptoms, by an enormous margin, is through stimulant therapy. If this kind of pattern happened a lot in childhood, and you have a history of other related issues (losing homework, procrastination until deadlines, high caffeine use), then I'd highly suggest scheduling a meeting with your mental health provider about this and getting a diagnosis.

And again, it's quite hard to overstate how effective stimulant therapy is for treating ADHD. It's the most effective mental health intervention. For me personally, it makes a night-and-day difference.

Re: Ask HN: How do you stay disciplined in the long run?

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By default, say no!

Say: oh wow, I'm motivated by this thing on HN. How exciting! Let me make a note about what I think is cool about this, take a while to reflect on whether it's worth kicking other things out of my life to do, then decide if I will.

I've started doing that in the last year or so. I stopped renewing about a dozen domains that had half-finished apps behind them, and decided I wouldn't do anything for a while. Then I kept saying no to more startup ideas.

The one thing I kept doing was this songwriting course. I more-or-less finished it, and found myself writing a song a week. Then I started trying to arrange and produce full songs with lyrics, which I'd done either half of (producing, and writing) separately. That took a while. Now I finished one of those!

It just kept coming back, every time I tried to say it wasn't important. If the thing you want to do isn't like that, then go do something nice for yourself instead, like seeing friends, or buying a record.

Re: Ask HN: How do you stay disciplined in the long run?

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I've been enjoying a strategy based on something Jack Dorsey mentioned.

Keep a list of tasks, goals, or projects that you actively want to spend time on. They can be short tasks, or never ending/ongoing goals.

Every morning make two lists. One list of items you want to work on that day for some amount of time, and more importantly a list of items you will not do that day.

Knowing that I made a commitment to not work on some of those ongoing projects allows me to have less anxiety about projects I've neglected. It's a mental note that they are still on my general list, but not something to think about today. It also helps me stay focused and not get distracted with other projects or waste too much time context switching.

Re: Ask HN: How do you stay disciplined in the long run?

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I can offer some pointers that have worked for me:

- Do what you like and what you can tie into an overall larger meaning. I made goals that sounded great on paper, but when confronted with factual reality couldn't be prioritized. So now I set goals to deal with some aspect of myself I want to change (e.g. tackle impostor syndrome, fear of becoming lazy/fat, etc.). Then when I feel like I want to give up, I just ask myself whether it's worth it, because I performed a cost/benefit analysis at the time I started and it was worth it then. Usually it is worth it to push through.

- Build an environment that helps you stay on track. I cancelled my home internet when I realized I watched too much YouTube. Now if I want to watch YouTube at home, I have to download videos via youtube-dl and watch them offline. When I want to walk for a while, I leave my wallet and metro card at home.

- Forgive yourself. It's okay to make mistakes, or slip a day or two. Why do we fall? So we can learn to pick ourselves back up. In fact, IMHO we don't learn to fail enough and so we don't actually know our true limitations and don't learn to push our true boundaries.

Re: Ask HN: How do you stay disciplined in the long run?

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I'm convinced that almost nobody is good at the whole cycle of creating/maintaining something. Some people are great at coming up with new ideas but quickly bore with the implementation. Some people can relentlessly improve on an existing thing but can't come up with the initial idea. Some people are great stewards of an established program but don't thrive in the chaos of rapid iteration. I think instead of trying t…

I tend to agree, but there are major exceptions in open source software: - Guido van Rossum wrote the first line of Python in 1989 or so (started) - He released the first version on Useset pretty quickly ("finished" the MVP) - He worked on himself for four years or so (maintaining, improving) - Then other people started contributing for 25 years or so (leading) So I would say he's able to do all 3 things, plus lead t…

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Re: Ask HN: How do you stay disciplined in the long run?

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>Execute and get to, say, 25-50% of the journey --> Get bored --> Abandon >I have strongly come to perceive myself as being driven by external accountabilities These are classic ADHD symptoms, along with some of the other tells I've gotten from your description. The number one way to improve ADHD symptoms, by an enormous margin, is through stimulant therapy. If this kind of pattern happened a lot in childhood, and yo…

Are you concerned at all about becoming dependent on stimulant therapy and the long term effects that may have on your health?

I'm not an expert in Stimulant therapy, only familiar with some relatives "using" Adderall.

Re: Ask HN: How do you stay disciplined in the long run?

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>Execute and get to, say, 25-50% of the journey --> Get bored --> Abandon >I have strongly come to perceive myself as being driven by external accountabilities These are classic ADHD symptoms, along with some of the other tells I've gotten from your description. The number one way to improve ADHD symptoms, by an enormous margin, is through stimulant therapy. If this kind of pattern happened a lot in childhood, and yo…

Are you concerned at all about becoming dependent on stimulant therapy and the long term effects that may have on your health? I'm not an expert in Stimulant therapy, only familiar with some relatives "using" Adderall.

>Are you concerned at all about becoming dependent on stimulant therapy and the long term effects that may have on your health?

I've got personal empirical evidence that my alternatives are being dysfunctional enough that I cannot maintain professional employment or a long-term romantic relationship. Stimulant therapy definitely has tradeoffs, but what I get out of it is significant enough that I'm okay with the downsides.

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