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Ask HN: Amazon software engineers, how is the work culture now?

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Re: Ask HN: Amazon software engineers, how is the work culture now?

#121

I interned at Amazon last year in the Alexa org (non-frontline team in ML). My team was rarely in the office before 10:30 or after 6, even during crunch time (we launched our feature during my internship) but i did see code review responses at odd hours sometimes. I enjoyed the project a bunch, and while my coworkers werent the most social bunch they were pretty smart and effective. I did pretty well and exceeded man…

No hiring manager looking at resumes is going to put any stock into whether it says Google, Amazon or FB, or what school you went to. They will care what you worked on. If you bring with you this completely unjustified view that your coworkers are worse, it will show, no one will want to work with you, and you aren't going to get to work on anything interesting. Your attitude is extremely concerning, you have a lot t…

Hiring managers have a long history of overvaluing prestige. His attitude is mildly concerning as a reflection of reality. Lots of anti HN comments in this thread.

Re: Ask HN: Amazon software engineers, how is the work culture now?

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>no free food/drinks It's sooooo important.

I definitely stay at work, and stay on campus longer because of the free breakfasts and lunches.

Spend your free time on work... Very stupid idea.

Re: Ask HN: Amazon software engineers, how is the work culture now?

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post #105

Worked in an AWS team, and the biggest issue was constant fire-fighting and oncall/operational load. Code quality is really bad across all teams in AWS due to constant prioritization of features over stability. We use to get 20 pages a day, and it was very common to get 2-3 pages in the middle of night. It was horrible and yet management didn't pay much attention on fixing it. At the end devs starting leaving the tea…

Fulfillment was like that 5 years ago. Just widely reputed to be the worst place. New upper management came in and started rating the L6/L7 management on their highsev counts. Things got a lot better very quickly.

Re: Ask HN: Amazon software engineers, how is the work culture now?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No hiring manager looking at resumes is going to put any stock into whether it says Google, Amazon or FB, or what school you went to. They will care what you worked on. If you bring with you this completely unjustified view that your coworkers are worse, it will show, no one will want to work with you, and you aren't going to get to work on anything interesting. Your attitude is extremely concerning, you have a lot t…

> No hiring manager looking at resumes is going to put any stock into whether it says Google, Amazon or FB, or what school you went to. Even if the hiring manager won't, it's a fairly safe bet that the filtering stages prior to it landing on a manager's desk will be looking at those things. Have you never been approached by a recruiter talking to you about how excited they are about "the Netflix guy" or the "Stanford…

The recruiter is not usually empowered to filter a qualified candidate because they "only" worked at Amazon though, especially not if they made a good impression at Amazon and come with a referral.

I don't think anyone with a final say cares what the recruiter says beyond here's a list of CVs, they usually aren't qualified to go much deeper, but if they are, they aren't ranking companies based on what juniors on programming forums think are trendy.

Re: Ask HN: Amazon software engineers, how is the work culture now?

#125

I couldnt get into any of the companies you mentioned and picked Amazon as a last resort. What should I do now? Ive contemplated suicide but i dont know if thats a wise choice.

There's no way to private message on HN, so I'm just going to leave this here for a little while and delete it.

Call me at -------. I will talk. I will listen. It will be private and not judgemental. I'm not a professional mental health specialist of any sort, but I do feel like when it gets to the point where you actually type out the words like this hearing a friendly voice might help. I'm awake. I'm ready for a call right now. If you don't want to talk today, call me tomorrow, next week, next month, whenever. Write down my number because I can't leave it posted.

1-800-273-8255 edit: If you didn't get the number and want it, leave a reply and I'll post again.

Re: Ask HN: Amazon software engineers, how is the work culture now?

#126

I interned at Amazon last year in the Alexa org (non-frontline team in ML). My team was rarely in the office before 10:30 or after 6, even during crunch time (we launched our feature during my internship) but i did see code review responses at odd hours sometimes. I enjoyed the project a bunch, and while my coworkers werent the most social bunch they were pretty smart and effective. I did pretty well and exceeded man…

>The idea of being relegated to a 2nd or third tier company has been eating at me

Relax. Life is only a contest if you think it is. And it's a contest where you're almost certainly going to get below 3rd place. While progress and peak performance is good, satisfaction with what you have is also valuable, probably better, actually.

Re: Ask HN: Amazon software engineers, how is the work culture now?

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post #7

Amazon has taken steps to prevent abusive behavior from occurring, such as creating a process for engineers to challenge managerial pips and allowing engineers to transfer while on development plans. In my opinion, these steps seem more like treating the symptom than the cause. The overall culture remains the same. Engineers are still treated by management as resources to be allocated, and for me, this is the hardest…

You are. The software engineer profession is becoming like traditional factory workers, only this time they have ping pong tables and free snacks. Also the salary is very high. But the downside is that you are still at the bottom of the pyramid.

That would be the warehouse workers not tech

Re: Ask HN: Amazon software engineers, how is the work culture now?

#128
post #77

No change since the NYT article. Amazon only changes things when it has to, and only in a lip-service kind of way. There was a flurry of discussion and proposals when the article was published, but it's all died down and we're back to where we were beforehand. Compensation, culture, and perks are infinitely better at Google, Facebook, Lyft, Uber, etc. All of them start vesting your stock monthly after 1 year, whereas…

>no free food/drinks It's sooooo important.

Well, it's kind of a signal, see Steve Blank's essay:

https://steveblank.com/2009/12/21/the-elves-leave-middle-ear...

Sometimes financial decisions that are seemingly rational on their face can precipitate mass exodus of your best engineers.

Re: Ask HN: Amazon software engineers, how is the work culture now?

#129

Thanks to linked in, I saw who was on a 1st level connection with the ex-director there who was arrested for running ads for prostitutes in Bellevue. Those 1st level contacts are still there and in higher positions now. Being 1st level on linkedin doesn't mean they are the same character or were part of the crime, but they are all in management positions. I emailed some women that still worked there and told them the…

That's a really bizarre way of thinking. 1st level connection doesn't mean personally close. Are you willing to be held responsible for the misdeeds your own 1st level connections might get up to?

Yes that's insane I used to work for a huge Arab civil engineer in london - the head of my division will have known many of the Bin Laden family and quite possibly met Bin Landen when he was younger.

Re: Ask HN: Amazon software engineers, how is the work culture now?

#130

I couldnt get into any of the companies you mentioned and picked Amazon as a last resort. What should I do now? Ive contemplated suicide but i dont know if thats a wise choice.

I bought a BMW without an M performance package...now I contemplate suicide.
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