there goes booking.com ruining the std deviation in Amsterdam again! :)
Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?
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#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which brings us to my original point again: noone cares where the landmass is. Russia does not identify with Europe by choice. On Russian TV there is nothing but mocking Europe and all it stands for; majority of Russians poll as actively hostile to Europe. Russians can't freely travel across Europe (nor can Europeans to Russia). Russia conducts military exercises simulating attacks on European capitals, and actively…
Russians can and do travel freely over vast swaths of Eastern part of European continent. This is incidentally a huge chunk of Europe the continent. Moreover, Russians are Europeans. It seems to me you are confused by the adjective European in European Union. European Union is a large union of states, with most territory in Europe. There are (quite a few) more countries in Europe that are not a part of EU. They are 1…
Thanks for taking time to reply, but having grew up in USSR and living in Europe I am not confused by any of above.
Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?
#123Can't open the doc because it's blocked by my employer. But generally the developer wage is very low in Europe compared with US(Bay area). AFAIK London have the highest salary among european countries, usually handed out by Investment banks and other financial service companies. In London a tier 1 bank's VP developer will typically get £90k-110k base, plus 15-40% bonus. If you work for a hedge fund, the base is typic…
> But generally the developer wage is very low in Europe compared with US(Bay area). Because it usually comes with built-in social security and nationwide health insurance. > AFAIK London have the highest salary among european countries, Nope. Scandinavia.
> Because it usually comes with built-in social security and nationwide health insurance.
That doesn't make any sense. There's social security in the US as well and the company is paying for my health insurance.
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Honestly, why the downvotes? What he was stated was inaccurate and doesn't account for any of the pay differences between the US and Europe.
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
It does not belong to Asia either. Russians distance themselves from the both insisting on their own, superior God chosen ways.
Why the antagonist tone? Specially in a thread like this that is far from political matters. And how can you talk in the name of all the Russians? I know more than one that don't think like you say.
It's not antagonistic it's factual.
Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?
#125I'm a US citizen working and living in Iceland.
Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?
#126Can't open the doc because it's blocked by my employer. But generally the developer wage is very low in Europe compared with US(Bay area). AFAIK London have the highest salary among european countries, usually handed out by Investment banks and other financial service companies. In London a tier 1 bank's VP developer will typically get £90k-110k base, plus 15-40% bonus. If you work for a hedge fund, the base is typic…
> But generally the developer wage is very low in Europe compared with US(Bay area). Because it usually comes with built-in social security and nationwide health insurance. > AFAIK London have the highest salary among european countries, Nope. Scandinavia.
which is paid for by higher taxes
Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
> But generally the developer wage is very low in Europe compared with US(Bay area). Because it usually comes with built-in social security and nationwide health insurance. > AFAIK London have the highest salary among european countries, Nope. Scandinavia.
> Because it usually comes with built-in social security and nationwide health insurance. That's not the case. Health insurance plays very little role in this. I can go to a private doctor for peanuts. Salaries are low, because companies are "broke" and don't have million dollar funding and you can have a great lifestyle with fifth/tenth of a SV salary. > Nope. Scandinavia. Nope, Switzerland.
not in the UK you cant :-)
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#128Does not include Switzerland. Also, what about bonuses and stock (options) which often make sizable portion of income?
Options are not income and are worthless unless it’s a public company or there is a liquidity event. Considering options as a part of income is the same as if your company paid you in lottery tickets.
but for example uk share shaves are zero risk and can have very high tax free payouts.
Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?
#129Can't open the doc because it's blocked by my employer. But generally the developer wage is very low in Europe compared with US(Bay area). AFAIK London have the highest salary among european countries, usually handed out by Investment banks and other financial service companies. In London a tier 1 bank's VP developer will typically get £90k-110k base, plus 15-40% bonus. If you work for a hedge fund, the base is typic…
and for interest a train driver earns 60k for a 4 day week easily 75K with OT
Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?
#130Ask I suspected based on the salary of a VERY senior developer friend in Barcelona, the pay in Spain is terrible. I make 3x+ what he does and 5x+ most of the salaries in the spreadsheet. Too bad because my wife is Spanish and I'd like to move there some day but I'll have to be retired for it to make sense.