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Ask HN: Loneliness at 19, how to cope?

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Re: Ask HN: Loneliness at 19, how to cope?

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> What am I supposed to do? Be lonely and without any kind of company and human connection my entire life? This is called catastrophizing. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/catastrophizing If you take nothing else away from my comment, I would suggest finding out why you do that, and try to change that mental behavior. It might not directly help with loneliness, but it might make your life more satisfactory.…

I have a ridiculous amount of interest I could share. I will take your advice and see if I can find people who share those interest! I will also try and change my thoughts. It’s just hard to not feel like the world is closing in when it feels like nobody acknowledges your existence.

Why do you care if people acknowledge your existence?

Some people would love that and see it as a super power. Lots of interesting things going on in the world to explore, you should consider that what you think is the issue is not the answer, it has enough of it's own problems. People are annoying and get in the way of enjoying many things. Go enjoy life and stuff first, your 19, plenty of time to find friends along the way.

Re: Ask HN: Loneliness at 19, how to cope?

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post #108

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> Try your best to talk to people. Having a shared hobby/interest makes for easy conversation and ice breakers. Unfortunately for OP, they have a distaste for small talk, and yet small talk is the launchpad for any potential conversation partner. Small talk is the lubricant for all social interactions and provides a safe, shallow harbor where people can get to know each other before heading out to deeper waters that…

I hate small talk. Never needed it to make friends.

Good for you, but my comment was directed towards OP, who wants friends but hated the process.

Re: Ask HN: Loneliness at 19, how to cope?

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post #108

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I hate small talk. Never needed it to make friends.

Good for you, but my comment was directed towards OP, who wants friends but hated the process.

My comment is also directed towards OP: you don’t need small talk to make friends.

Re: Ask HN: Loneliness at 19, how to cope?

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As long as you are obsessed with this - you'll perpetuate the problem. The more needy you are and craving for attention the more unattractive and uninteresting you look as a person. The only solution for these types of problems (aside of usual phychotherapy/physiology that you need to rule out first with help of professionals!) - is to genuinely stop giving a single damn whether you're alone or not. Right after that…

After reading your comment, I'm left wondering. What exactly is actionable in it? How exactly does it help a person in OPs position? Apart from the part deferring to a therapist, which is more or less common knowledge in this day and age, there's nothing there thats ... helpful. Actionable.

It is actionable.

You may be doing the same thing from the outside, but the point is your approach to life is the issue. Your mindset itself filters experience.

This is the issue with "empirics", there's often very real intangibles that deal with fundamentally subjective things.

From the outside of course, you point to all the 'concrete' things, but it's really the intangibles that matter.

Re: Ask HN: Loneliness at 19, how to cope?

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My mother, father, dogs, and grandparents were all dead by the time I turned 19 years old. I was homeless on and off before then, and I stopped living with my parents at the age of 14. My father was a hoarder and my mother was an alcoholic, and I experienced pretty severe childhood neglect. At 19 I worked bullshit jobs for about a decade before lucking into a programming gig after years of searching, and it's honestly not that great.

Believe me when I say that I spent way too much time on the internet asking for advice on what to do. I had a lot of people try to give me advice, but none of it ever really worked. Most people have not had similar issues, and so don't know what advice to give. I'm 30 now and that's still the case. You can imagine I never fit in anywhere and don't have special connections either. So I will try to give you advice on what worked for me.

Reading is very important. Philosophy from Aristotle and Dostoyevsky helped me. It's important to be honest and recognize the fact that life can be awful and lots of people die alone and unfulfilled. That could be any of us. Exercise is important, get cardio and weight lifting in every day. Eat a good diet. Don't try to make friends at work. Those are coworkers, and many of them will use whatever you tell them as ammunition in a game of politics. Always be looking for a better job, even if you're already employed. Money is one of the most important things to have because it gives you freedom. You aren't guaranteed friends or family but you can always try to make your own life better.

Here's a quote from Hideo Kojima that sums it all up: "If you spend your time chasing butterflies, they'll fly away. If you spend your time making a beautiful garden, the butterflies will come to you. And if they don't come, you still have your beautiful garden."

Probably the most fulfilling thing you can do in life is raise a happy, productive child in a safe community that you belong to. If you're an American this is all but impossible these days, because getting married is Russian roulette.

I'm sorry if you were hoping for a different answer, but this is what I've got. Godspeed to you.

Re: Ask HN: Loneliness at 19, how to cope?

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As long as you are obsessed with this - you'll perpetuate the problem. The more needy you are and craving for attention the more unattractive and uninteresting you look as a person. The only solution for these types of problems (aside of usual phychotherapy/physiology that you need to rule out first with help of professionals!) - is to genuinely stop giving a single damn whether you're alone or not. Right after that…

The part about being needy is so true. Here is a quote I read recently that I've been trying to spread everywhere. It's from Hideo Kojima (insane video game man): "If you spend your time chasing butterflies, they'll fly away. If you spend your time making a beautiful garden, the butterflies will come to you. And if they don't come, you still have your beautiful garden"

Re: Ask HN: Loneliness at 19, how to cope?

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This is going to sound maybe a bit out there for you but you are in college go find a dance class, ballroom, tango, etc. They have tons and usually lack male participants. Give it a try and it may help you quite a bit. Don't over think this just go, the rest will take care of itself in short order.
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