Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: Aren't you afraid of a possible world conflict?

news.ycombinator.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

111–120 of 131 posts

Re: Ask HN: Aren't you afraid of a possible world conflict?

#111

Post by gsf_emergency »

badpun wrote: post #32
082349872349872 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you counting russia as part of Eurasia here? Because to me it's looking more like becoming part of Eastasia instead.

Russia was always the weird case of a country with a cruel, Asian steppe mentality (early in the days of the Dutchy of Moscow, they were conquered and thoroughly subjugated by the Mongols, the Mongol mark of cruelty and disdain for human life is still there in XXI century) that is also Christian. The Christianity has confused Western leaders throught the ages, who thought Russia is like any other European country, an…

I agree with a slight patch-- the Asian cruel steppe mentality is called "meritocracy" (which the Mongols, or at least Chinggis & his direct successors down thru Kublai, iirc, was enamoured of..)

Russians, ironically, defeated the tartars when they managed to out-meritocrat the greatkhanless hordes somescore later,

-Then they basically reverted to divine right of kings*, aka the mandate of heaven..

-until the time of Lenin, when the cycle began anew..

*Apologies for ignoring the slight detour of Peter the Great** (known to be enlighteningly cruel) whose table of ranks could have been said to have set "his Excellency" (Prevoskhoditel’stvo) Ulyanov up for life

**but we should also pay attention to the current phenomenon of lionizing Catherine as a monarch more Christian than Peter

[Recall that the christians did not meritocracy until roughly... 1848 (again, ignoring the Glourious Revolution) over thence we had Weber retconning for his tribe]

(

Re: Ask HN: Aren't you afraid of a possible world conflict?

#112

Post by gsf_emergency »

082349872349872 wrote: post #74
arisAlexis wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So not blowing ourselves up , up to now means that we will never do ? Strange logic fallacy but I've heard it before.

No, avoiding blowing ourselves up (or summering ourselves out?) means we had much bigger things to be afraid of than capital-t Terrorism. For what it's worth, I believe that instead of starting a war and an occupation, when the Taliban said they were ready to give ObL up on condition the US provide some evidence he was behind WTC, they could've simply been taken up on their offer. (Similar goes for "WMD")

Let's just (pace namer of the kwisatz haderech) call the true Shaitan by its name: meretrocracy :)

[Fwiw I have not Figured out the right orthography (including case, number of R's etc)]

Re: Ask HN: Aren't you afraid of a possible world conflict?

#113

Post by xk_id »

hkpack wrote: post #84
mnky9800n wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

feel free to add details you think are missing.

On the highest level it is the war for the world order between democracies and autocracies. On the level below it is a war for the spheres of influence between China and US. Next, it is Russian war for the control of the Europe and middle east. Below it is the wars by Iranian/Russian/Chinese proxies to help with the goals mentioned above. In all ongoing conflicts the parties are aligned with the China on top of the c…

This is literally a chicken-egg problem. I’m not sure why you’re taking such a fundamentalist stance

Re: Ask HN: Aren't you afraid of a possible world conflict?

#114

Post by 082349872349872 »

gsf_emergency wrote: post #111
badpun wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia was always the weird case of a country with a cruel, Asian steppe mentality (early in the days of the Dutchy of Moscow, they were conquered and thoroughly subjugated by the Mongols, the Mongol mark of cruelty and disdain for human life is still there in XXI century) that is also Christian. The Christianity has confused Western leaders throught the ages, who thought Russia is like any other European country, an…

I agree with a slight patch-- the Asian cruel steppe mentality is called "meritocracy" (which the Mongols, or at least Chinggis & his direct successors down thru Kublai, iirc, was enamoured of..) Russians, ironically, defeated the tartars when they managed to out-meritocrat the greatkhanless hordes somescore later, -Then they basically reverted to divine right of kings*, aka the mandate of heaven.. -until the time of…

Note that Catherine gets a late soviet mention: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_IObE7MIqs#t=143s

...and that Goldstein basically writes about the meritocracy* of the Inner Party, as set out in the non-fictional The Managerial Revolution (1941).

* Smith is in the outer party precisely because he did poorly on his A-levels.

Re: Ask HN: Aren't you afraid of a possible world conflict?

#115

Post by meiraleal »

kamaal wrote: post #63
sieste wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since no amount of us being scared is going to make any difference whatsoever, I'd say no.

Its crazy how individuals can't decide if they just want to be left alone to live in peace. I hope someday if life becomes multi planetary, there will be a way to just step away from any fight and just go live wherever you want to.

Just move to country-side Brazil, be it in the South or in the Amazon. the country is so big and far from the war teathers that you can think of it as another world already

Re: Ask HN: Aren't you afraid of a possible world conflict?

#116

Post by meiraleal »

hkpack wrote: post #44
dingosity wrote: post #7

Should we be scared? [asked in all seriousness, not as a quip.]

Not scared but acknowledge that the world in which there were long periods of peace and short wars is over. There will be long wars and short peace from now on for undefined time. Whether it will be wars on the periphery or a global war depends on which stage western democracies will wake up and collectively realise the reality of the situation.

is it really true tho? with the ceasefire in Lebanon and a potential desengagement in Ukraine, we would have no multi states active wars for the first since decades?

Re: Ask HN: Aren't you afraid of a possible world conflict?

#117

Post by gsf_emergency »

082349872349872 wrote: post #114
gsf_emergency wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with a slight patch-- the Asian cruel steppe mentality is called "meritocracy" (which the Mongols, or at least Chinggis & his direct successors down thru Kublai, iirc, was enamoured of..) Russians, ironically, defeated the tartars when they managed to out-meritocrat the greatkhanless hordes somescore later, -Then they basically reverted to divine right of kings*, aka the mandate of heaven.. -until the time of…

Note that Catherine gets a late soviet mention: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_IObE7MIqs#t=143s ...and that Goldstein basically writes about the meritocracy* of the Inner Party, as set out in the non-fictional The Managerial Revolution (1941). * Smith is in the outer party precisely because he did poorly on his A-levels.

First American-Russians got left high & dry.. and meretocrat A2T (TiGR! Revisit the trial of his assassins) ?

https://sine-or.livejournal.com/60717.html

Re: Ask HN: Aren't you afraid of a possible world conflict?

#118

Post by 082349872349872 »

gsf_emergency wrote: post #117
082349872349872 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that Catherine gets a late soviet mention: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_IObE7MIqs#t=143s ...and that Goldstein basically writes about the meritocracy* of the Inner Party, as set out in the non-fictional The Managerial Revolution (1941). * Smith is in the outer party precisely because he did poorly on his A-levels.

First American-Russians got left high & dry.. and meretocrat A2T (TiGR! Revisit the trial of his assassins) ? https://sine-or.livejournal.com/60717.html

To be fair, NVR may have sung the lines and sat in the Duma, but I think (я думаю?) the songwriter (IIM?) was probably more of a thinker than a sitter and knew exactly what they were doing.

Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUCs_c643qU

(not sure if the russian fleet really kept the royal navy away during the US Civil War; my impression had been that the Confederacy had waited too long to revolt, and the second-cheapest supplier of cotton [egypt?] for british mills was not much more expensive than the CSA would've been in any case)

Re: Ask HN: Aren't you afraid of a possible world conflict?

#119

Post by mnky9800n »

hkpack wrote: post #84
mnky9800n wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

feel free to add details you think are missing.

On the highest level it is the war for the world order between democracies and autocracies. On the level below it is a war for the spheres of influence between China and US. Next, it is Russian war for the control of the Europe and middle east. Below it is the wars by Iranian/Russian/Chinese proxies to help with the goals mentioned above. In all ongoing conflicts the parties are aligned with the China on top of the c…

that all sounds like a nice theory but i feel like it absolves the actors of their actions and doesn’t actually add any details to what i was saying like i asked. it offers very little explanatory or predictive power so im not really sure what the point of the theory is except to assume a structure that could also be more simply explained by gordon gekko, “greed is good.”

Re: Ask HN: Aren't you afraid of a possible world conflict?

#120

Post by mnky9800n »

euroderf wrote: post #76
mnky9800n wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if the PATRIOT missile systems that were promised were actually delivered ukraine would already be in a better position to defend against the countrywide missile attacks that have been going on. the problem i have with this is that the goal is not to end the conflict as much as it is to maintain the status quo.

Patriots are ridiculously expensive (a cool billion per battery), and best kept for certain missile threats. There are other cheaper weapons for other missile threats. But yeah, Western assistance is more of a slow drip than a proper flow.

maybe that was a bad example, sorry. but i feel like we are on the same page so no hard feelings. actually i was thinking about patriots because of this bellingcat investigation where they were able to identify them from their interference with sentinel-1 satellites:

https://www.bellingcat.com/resources/2022/02/11/radar-interf...

Post reply on HN