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Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We log all accesses and flows. So eg if our pentesters found a vulnerability in an endpoint, we can retrieve every post against that endpoint and (1) verify the pentesters didn't exploit it against prod, and (2) verify that it hasn't been exploited by anyone else.

Of course, that only works if the vulnerability is reported. There is no reason for the malicious actor to report the vulnerability they have chosen to exploit. What percentage of the vulnerabilities discovered are independently discovered by multiple pen testers?

It sounds like you're suggesting that pen testers by default will not reveal discovered vulnerabilities with clients.

Then you talk about "discovered and revealed vulnerabilities". But, your first sentence talks about "discovered vulnerabilities not revealed".

What you may be wanting is a honeypot, where a pentest client intentionally puts some vulnerabilities of various exploit difficulty into the clone environment to ensure pentesters are doing their job.

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

#112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that urinating in public can result in sex offender charges in some locales, I'm not surprised that you can have non-violent assault charges.

This doesn't actually happen, it's only possible when there's a sexual component. You hear the concept a lot, because it's a cover - "I'm on the sex offenders list, but I was just peeing. Didn't realize it was a playground, whoops!" is different from the true "I raped a girl, and despite the incredibly high burden of proof in that charge I was convicted, and now I have to tell you about it because I moved next door."

> I raped a girl, and despite the incredibly high burden of proof in that charge I was convicted

What burden of proof?

This is a crime where you can be accused of having committed it several years in the past, with no supporting evidence of any kind, and convicted for no other reason than that you give someone a "rapist" vibe.

https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Pages/casedeta...

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

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This is a "throwaway" account for obvious reasons. I did some terrible things when I was 19 that I won't go into details, but after working as a developer for a few years, served a six-year sentence from 2003-2009. Upon release, I leveraged some old contacts to get a bit of contracting work. In time I found more contracting work, mostly working for smaller companies on a 1099 basis. (direct, not through a firm) In ti…

> This is a "throwaway" account for obvious reasons. You should know that if you also have a non-throwaway account, HN will unify your accounts in their backend records.

No, they don't do this. It's not even clear how they would; the closest thing would be merging based on IP or fingerprinting, but both are extremely noisy.

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

#115

I've been released 2 years ago and no I've been unable to find a gig. No one would reply lol. I m doing open source projects, ai and indie games. I've got more stress Cred than before. I think getting back to Normie workforce in police state such as us is impossible. Peace man

it really sucks. If I had known I'd lose my jobs the way I did each time, I would never have applied to begin with. it was really traumatic each time, and very sudden. it PTSD'd me, not that I have any shortage of that. But just the way everyone gets when you go from "everyone knows you and respects you and likes you" and suddenly it's ... uhh ohh. everyone being quiet. is this... again? yes. yes it was. and I just c…

Lol what are you talking about?

If you have something to eat and a working pc and stable internet connection you can make the way. That's a hard lessons learnt in startup years. It's the same

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

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(Throw away account for obvious reasons) I experienced this. Due to various undiagnosed mental health issues I ended up with a serious record in the UK - a total of 15 charges, all computer related. Due to the clear lack of malicious intent I didn't serve any time, but did get shackled with: 12 months suspended for 12 months; 10 years on the sex offenders register; 7 years sexual harm prevention order; and 5 years of…

Sorry to hear all of this. Did you end up in Europe or did you have to go further?

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

#117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is a "throwaway" account for obvious reasons. You should know that if you also have a non-throwaway account, HN will unify your accounts in their backend records.

No, they don't do this. It's not even clear how they would; the closest thing would be merging based on IP or fingerprinting, but both are extremely noisy.

You can easily demonstrate to yourself that they do.

And the situation here is that felon_in_texas visits HN in his usual manner, views a topic he wants to comment on, creates an account on the spot, and leaves his comment. How noisy do you think the IP identification can be?

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

#118
post #23

I don't have much helpful to add, but I had a colleague who had a bad night, acquired some felony charges for a firearm-related assault and they got fired/blacklisted for a few years. Subsequently, they did IT contract work behind the scenes with small contractors, kept in touch with his professional network, was super helpful to the rest of us, and after serious concerns and much debate, got back into his prior care…

I've had four great tech jobs since I paroled ... I'm old. You want windows 3.11 for workgroups, or you want server 2019. you want *nix, you want macos, I'm into it all. kubernetes, virtualization, hell I used to run vmware GSX for companies before ESX existed. My resume is very strong, and my skills are good. and.... it isn't enough. not so far. it's going to take someone who knows from the start, somehow. I've made…

hello fellow excommie!

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

#119

Tldr; I made a possible career ending move (see p.p.s below main comment), here's what I did to fix it and end up in successful employment again. Not the same but I was sacked during a probation period because I refused to give my proof of ID details a 5th time to the HR, the same 3 pieces requested multiple times or lost. I told them to reuse those I uploaded a day or two earlier. HR dismissed me after a single warn…

> Not the same but I was sacked during a probation period because I refused to give my proof of ID details a 5th time to the HR, the same 3 pieces requested multiple times or lost. I told them to reuse those I uploaded a day or two earlier.

That's no way to survive a career (as you found out). That's the kind of thing you use to build team camaraderie, after the 3rd time or so start posting about it in the team chat, if you're in an office put up a little sign saying "it has been ## days since I was asked for my ID", play along with any jokes about it, that sort of thing. And also politely ask your manager what's going on, and if that's normal, and send a polite email to the HR manager.

I get that it's a nuisance, but surely it couldn't have been more than a few minutes out of your day every time (and getting faster with repetition, right?).

> (yes they were average developers there at best)

Sour grapes?

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

#120
post #59
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Assault charges but not physical violence? Physical violence is battery. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/assault_and_battery "Assault refers to the wrong act of causing someone to reasonably fear imminent harm. This means that the fear must be something a reasonable person would foresee as threatening to them. Battery refers to the actual wrong act of physically harming someone."

Regardless, it's pretty brutal to have such poor legal representation that an act with no real physical attack couldn't be pled down to a misdemeanor.

Misdemeanor is still a criminal record.
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