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Re: Ask HN: Anyone else notice that HN isn’t full of JavaScript frameworks lately?

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Post by wiverson »

scotty79 wrote: post #76
karaterobot wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a web dev anymore, I stopped right around the time hooks became a thing in React, and while Svelte was an exciting technology no big players had adopted yet. In fact the last thing I did for my old job was a little make-work exploration to test whether Svelte was was ready for them to use in prime time. My conclusion was that it was remarkably slick and empowering, but was not ready yet due to the lack of eco…

How's Svelte different from AngularJS 1? I have such bad memories that I refuse to touch any code-in-html framework with a 10 foot pole.

https://component-party.dev/

Long-time Java dev by background, used more frameworks than I could possibly list. I won't touch React with a ten foot pole.

SvelteKit is the first web framework I ever used that I enjoy working with.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else notice that HN isn’t full of JavaScript frameworks lately?

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Post by jeremycarter »

Glooply wrote: post #30
ramesh31 wrote: post #19

React won. Angular is officially deprecated, and the others are distant also-rans at this point. React Native has also almost completely taken over iOS development. Thank god we can all just agree on a baseline to work from finally.

Angular is officially deprecated by Google? news to me. Wow.

It's incorrect. OP has used wrong terminology and should have said angularjs.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else notice that HN isn’t full of JavaScript frameworks lately?

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Post by austin-cheney »

awesomeMilou wrote: post #102
austin-cheney wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That, while well intentioned, is probably wishful thinking. Large frameworks do not exist to provide technology capabilities or features. They exist to supplement skill deficits in people, primarily around architecture and composition, and any such features are built upon the stylistic premise they provide.

> They exist to supplement skill deficits in people, primarily around architecture and composition That's just another hot take which makes no sense if you think about it. Being able to fit complex features into already existing abstractions is an even more sought after skill with frameworks than without. Frameworks exist to standardize architecture, not to mitigate skill issues.

> Frameworks exist to standardize architecture, not to mitigate skill issues.

It's a pre-formulated architecture in a box so that developers don't have to make those such decisions, most often because they can't. That is a supplement for an absence of skills, the same reason that made jQuery popular.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else notice that HN isn’t full of JavaScript frameworks lately?

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Post by austin-cheney »

albrewer wrote: post #107
austin-cheney wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That, while well intentioned, is probably wishful thinking. Large frameworks do not exist to provide technology capabilities or features. They exist to supplement skill deficits in people, primarily around architecture and composition, and any such features are built upon the stylistic premise they provide.

> They exist to supplement skill deficits in people This take really does not take into account the huge value added of 1) not having to roll your own SPA code and 2) the availability of a large workforce that is all familiar with a common design paradigm.

That is true, but it completely misses the point because rolling your own SPA is next to trivial. Things like state management, event delegation, and modularity are challenging without frameworks but only if you have never tried that without some large framework.

Every time I bring this up the common rebuttal is immediately quitting, something like: "I tried it once and it was tough, so therefore it can't be done". That just screams skills deficit.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else notice that HN isn’t full of JavaScript frameworks lately?

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Post by dang »

c-hendricks wrote: post #108

JS developers: fairly progressive HN: fairly conservative JS developers: hey here's an update to a library that's been around for 8 years HN: Why are there new JS frameworks every day??? Also HN: Why aren't people posting about JavaScript here? Edit: I'd fix the formatting but it's not worth it, HN can't bother to interpret a line break, I can't be bothered to accomodate.

Hey - 3 of your last 4 comments have been unsubstantive and/or flamebait and/or broke the HN guidelines. Can you please not do this? We're trying for something else here.

I understand it can be annoying to see posts you disagree with and dislike. Many people jump from that to a general image of the community as hostile to their viewpoint* - but the truth is that there's a stream of things for everyone to dislike here. That follows from the community being so large and diverse. (There's a longer explanation about this at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23308098 if anyone cares.)

Fortunately most of your posts with this account have been fine, though I ran across some other recent ones that broke the site guidelines and were not ok:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36364904

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36364823

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36283716

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

* I've been trying to persuade users about this for years, though I'm not sure it's worked much: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else notice that HN isn’t full of JavaScript frameworks lately?

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Post by TechBro8615 »

jrajav wrote: post #10

React is now the de facto choice and much less painful than past de facto choices, is my take on why. It has a mature and healthy ecosystem, and its relatively small surface makes it easy to learn and predictable, while declarative GUI in general is low on footguns compared to ye ol two-way data binding. Many of the competitors springing up define themselves in terms of React, either as an improvement or a foil. But…

Hold that thought. Many people are saying React has jumped the shark with the complexity of server components and tight coupling with favored frameworks like Next.js

I wouldn't be surprised to see some movement toward simpler but equally robust frameworks like Vue or Svelte.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else notice that HN isn’t full of JavaScript frameworks lately?

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Post by anonzzzies »

Uptrenda wrote: post #31

tbh i feel like many posts on HN shouldn't make it to the front-page. HN is filled with smart people with tech skills and I have a feeling many of them are gaming the algorithm for self-promotion. Even just getting your friends to upvote something is kind of disingenuous since it bias what should be more objective and we know that people do tend to follow others (social proof.) I don't have a solution. This is sympto…

This feeling why I stopped using my real name (on most sites, not only hear). Upvotes or downvotes don’t mean anything to me as I have nothing to sell to you, not even myself. It’s at least far more relaxed for myself to not have to worry about things that don’t mean anything anyway, like upvotes, downvotes or some flamewar someone wants to start about a tiny opinion of mine; I can just get up/downvoted and move on. Don’t have to be pc either because of fearing for my job if my boss reads something.

People, definitely on reddit, are behaving very different as they see they talk to someone who has nothing to lose and where they cannot expect much in return; less warmongering, less dragging on about a subject I was done with 40 comments ago and only 1-2 downvotes max where people commenting a similar opinion under a known name or handle get 50.

For me a solution to try is random usernames and changing those when you get doxxed. Nicknames or the same handles across sites won’t work.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else notice that HN isn’t full of JavaScript frameworks lately?

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Post by gardenhedge »

duluca wrote: post #38

IMO a JavaScript revolution is quietly brewing. Today’s frameworks have gotten amazingly complicated and EcmaScript spec is gaining new capabilities at a rapid clip, so some of critical features for modern web dev is built in. This project is a great example of what’s coming https://www.arrow-js.com . I think the right move will become avoiding these large and complicated frameworks unless they’re truly called for.

That is trying to replace a framework but doesn't seem to do routing or data storage?

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else notice that HN isn’t full of JavaScript frameworks lately?

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Post by imhoguy »

dylan604 wrote: post #41
frfl wrote: post #7

HN posts follow tech hype. AI is hot right now. Another thing will come and take its place in due time.

AI generated crypto funded JS framework written in Rust

Web distributed AI singularity implemented in Rust as JS/WASM/WebGPU app with crypto infrastructure to gamify crowd-sourced training and use - not too far really..
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