Reddit and Discord have two major advantages over traditional forums. It's less friction when you don't have to sign up. If you already have an account, you need only subscribe to the channel/subreddit of your interest. You more easily accumulate contributors, and then you have more content, and then that in turn makes your platform more relevant. The second reason is that Reddit/Discord is its own source of advertis…
Ask HN: Why Discord instead of a public forum?
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Re: Ask HN: Why Discord instead of a public forum?
#112Most of the time, when people have a question, they don't know what the question is exactly. If they did, they probably could find the answer on the internet. They benefit immensely from having real time questioning and feedback with someone knowledgeable helping them to dissect their problem into a real question and answer. Discords are not searchable but if someone is there to chat with, that is infinitely better f…
> The user experience of stack overflow is garbage, for example. Which is everything Stack Overflow was trying to avoid with its Experts Exchange killer website consortium.
Re: Ask HN: Why Discord instead of a public forum?
#113Reddit and Discord have two major advantages over traditional forums. It's less friction when you don't have to sign up. If you already have an account, you need only subscribe to the channel/subreddit of your interest. You more easily accumulate contributors, and then you have more content, and then that in turn makes your platform more relevant. The second reason is that Reddit/Discord is its own source of advertis…
Re: Ask HN: Why Discord instead of a public forum?
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
And the cost is lack of discoverability, basically forever. Maybe there's a way to layer on discoverability to discord, but I haven't seen one that compares to Google. Anyway, I repeat myself, I've already written up my thoughts on forums vs slack/discord: https://www.mooreds.com/wordpress/archives/3451
> And the cost is lack of discoverability, basically forever. Sadly, this is actually a feature. Discoverability of content adds an incentive for SEO-style spam. It's very hard to implement technical solutions to this kind of incentive problem. I'm part of a few discords where there's a lot of valuable knowledge about purchasing certain consumer products. If this content were discoverable by millions of people it'd b…
The Internet of open forums and discussion boards was the one where people wanted to share, not hoard. It was a culture of "pay it forward", "growing the pie", "rising tides lifts all boats". A culture that gave us Wikipedia and StackOverflow and all the subreddits that make people append "site:reddit" to their Google queries. A culture that enabled free and open source software to exist, and transform the world. A culture of openness, a culture of hope.
What you described is a culture of fear. Fear of spammers and marketers and adtech companies and other evil scoundrels - entirely reasonable on its own, but also suffocating. A culture of hoarding, a culture of closedness. A culture of not giving a fuck about the wider world. This change, as mediated by technology, is only possible because of the openness that came before - it's literally built on Wikipedia, StackOverflow, and heaps of FLOSS. It walked up the ladder, and is now pulling the ladder up so others can't follow. This new culture will not give us a new Wikipedia or StackOverflow, but rather let both of them wither and die.
On another, somewhat unrelated note, prompted by an earlier discussion on a different thread:
> I'm part of a few discords where there's a lot of valuable knowledge about purchasing certain consumer products. If this content were discoverable by millions of people it'd be someone's full time job to game the system.
That's nice, and I'm both happy and envious. But it's ironic that doing things this way is considered clever and good, even though it's terribly exclusive - yet individuals exploiting their knowledge and skills to achieve the same by technology are considered a problem that needs to be stamped out for the sake of equality. As always, it's not thinking but socializing that wins.
Re: Ask HN: Why Discord instead of a public forum?
#115Because people want a community and Discord delivers on that. It also has Reddit's critical feature of "one account, infinite communities", something you don't have when you become an indie forum. It's not very searchable, but people don't care much about that. Just think of how nonessential HN search is to your day-to-day of having a conversation on HN.
IRC had "one account, infinite communities" too.
That said, IRC was an information black hole in just the same way Discord is, for the same reasons. In my personal experience, running an official channel alongside the official community mailing list was a huge PITA, as the very existence of that IRC channel required constant oversight and regular reminders of its subservient/non-binding role, as otherwise it would quickly end up with the whole community being taken over by a small group of people who had too much free time, and therefore could coordinate everything amongst themselves on IRC, in near real-time.
You could call it "OODA loop mismatch" - IRC and Discord run through their OODA loops an order of magnitude faster than mailing lists and discussion boards, and as a result, unless actively prevented, they take over the community and cut out people who can't keep pace.
Re: Ask HN: Why Discord instead of a public forum?
#116Re: Ask HN: Why Discord instead of a public forum?
#117And they missed so many features like a mobile app and notifications. And a lot of things that Discord offered.
Re: Ask HN: Why Discord instead of a public forum?
#118Most of the time, when people have a question, they don't know what the question is exactly. If they did, they probably could find the answer on the internet. They benefit immensely from having real time questioning and feedback with someone knowledgeable helping them to dissect their problem into a real question and answer. Discords are not searchable but if someone is there to chat with, that is infinitely better f…
Counterpoint: selection bias. Most of the people who have a question are the ones who failed to find the answer on the Internet. Chat is good for them, but if chat is the only thing that's left, then much more people will have no choice but to either join the chat and ask questions that could've been trivially answered with a search, or just ignore whatever it is your community is doing/promoting/supporting.
> They benefit immensely from having real time questioning and feedback with someone knowledgeable helping them to dissect their problem into a real question and answer.
Counterpoint: that's only if you're lucky and happen to ask the question when right people are present, willing, and not busy with an ongoing conversation. Otherwise, you'll be spending unpredictable amount of time trying to ensure your question gets seen or answered. And that happens for any question, regardless of how many times it was asked and answered before. Tiring and inefficient.
> Discords are not searchable but if someone is there to chat with, that is infinitely better for you, in that moment.
Exactly. If. That's a big if for smaller communities - and for larger ones, the question becomes if anyone notices your question in the flood of ongoing conversations.
> The user experience of stack overflow is garbage, for example.
It's kind of the polar opposite of Discord, or even Reddit - the experience is bad for participants, but great for passer-bys looking for already-written answers to already-asked questions.
Re: Ask HN: Why Discord instead of a public forum?
#119Many Reddit moderators are interested in Pc Gaming, and Discord is ubiquitous in that space. It’s free, infinite scaling, and there is a big overlap in the user bases. > But discord is far from a real knowledge base I think you’d struggle to find many reddit moderators that see themselves as archivists of knowledge. Reddit being a go-to resource for google results is mostly seen as a fluke or unintended side effect.
However, specific niches of PC gaming are a different thing. There's a myriad of subreddits focused on narrow things like assembling gaming PCs, evaluating GPUs, playing a particular game, modding a particular game, etc. Many of those have a knowledge-generating nature, and among them plenty are maintaining Wiki pages, so that valuable knowledge is not lost (and so that the same questions aren't being asked a hundred times a day).
In general, this is the case with many (most?) subreddits focused on topics that have a knowledge component - be it a hobby like woodworking, a specific diet, a support group for specific mental issue, etc. Where tools for it are present, people maintain knowledge bases, for their own reference as well as to let newbies get up to speed without flooding the group with questions.
Re: Ask HN: Why Discord instead of a public forum?
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
And the cost is lack of discoverability, basically forever. Maybe there's a way to layer on discoverability to discord, but I haven't seen one that compares to Google. Anyway, I repeat myself, I've already written up my thoughts on forums vs slack/discord: https://www.mooreds.com/wordpress/archives/3451
> And the cost is lack of discoverability, basically forever. Sadly, this is actually a feature. Discoverability of content adds an incentive for SEO-style spam. It's very hard to implement technical solutions to this kind of incentive problem. I'm part of a few discords where there's a lot of valuable knowledge about purchasing certain consumer products. If this content were discoverable by millions of people it'd b…
It makes me wonder about the future of the content producers though since that AI is not looking at ads.