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Ask HN: Did Anyone Else Here Simply Not Do Well at School?

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Re: Ask HN: Did Anyone Else Here Simply Not Do Well at School?

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I've been in IT for over a decade and in almost all companies, with the people that hire these types, before the hiring manager or person who makes the decisions even see the resumes for any position; HR throws out everyone without a degree; if they are desperate they hold onto the certificates in another pile. Not a choice, no say, it happens, unilaterally just about everywhere. Don't like what I said?, tough, this…

> HR throws out everyone without a degree; if they are desperate they hold onto the certificates in another pile. Not a choice, no say, it happens, unilaterally just about everywhere. What we need is a class-action lawsuit, with discovery. Throwing out certifications should be a blatant violation of Griggs v. Duke Power. And anyone downgraded in salary should get equity increases along with however many years of back…

I don't think that would work.

The question goes to, how do you prove or meet any kind of burden of proof needed for discovery, where they've done it when you aren't even an employee. No lawyer will take that job just on your say so unless you are bankrolling it.

There is simply no way for you as a candidate to know short of you being in or near the room where it happens when it happens. Certificates or education level are also not a protected class. Discrimination based off race would be a blatant violation, but certificates vs degrees; I'm not so sure (and I'm not a lawyer).

Re: Ask HN: Did Anyone Else Here Simply Not Do Well at School?

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post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> HR throws out everyone without a degree; if they are desperate they hold onto the certificates in another pile. Not a choice, no say, it happens, unilaterally just about everywhere. What we need is a class-action lawsuit, with discovery. Throwing out certifications should be a blatant violation of Griggs v. Duke Power. And anyone downgraded in salary should get equity increases along with however many years of back…

I don't think that would work. The question goes to, how do you prove or meet any kind of burden of proof needed for discovery, where they've done it when you aren't even an employee. No lawyer will take that job just on your say so unless you are bankrolling it. There is simply no way for you as a candidate to know short of you being in or near the room where it happens when it happens. Certificates or education lev…

> The question goes to, how do you prove or meet any kind of burden of proof needed for discovery

You need a whistleblower from HR, or a person who used to work in an HR department.

I think the big problem is that this would bite all companies in the butt, including law companies. They are disincentivized to even try going after this.

> Certificates or education level are also not a protected class.

Degrees and certificates are disproportionately distributed among protected classes. And the Griggs ruling is more general than protected class in general.

I, too, am not a lawyer.

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