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Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

#111

Yes. In a fairly large public company I worked at, I remember a DBA on contract got fired because he knew absolutely nothing. But only a few weeks later he was back, in the same building, but using a different name on a different floor working as a Senior Software Architect. He got caught because someone in the DB department recognized him, called him by his old name and they pretended they never new him.

I can’t imagine the stress of trying that. Work can be hard enough, why add the complexity of lying about your name in a company people know you

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Interesting that this has increased recently from the perspective of OP, but it has always been the case, and it's an annoying timesink.

My favourite example of this was a interviewee for a post working on Oracle data warehouses. A colleague ran the guy's CV under my nose before the interview - it was strange - it kept on changing tense, and contained a bit too much random technical information about Oracle's tooling.

I Googled a random phrase, and discovered that 50% of the CV was directly lifted from the Oracle manual for their ETL and DW product.

The point is that despite being comically bad, he'll have interviewed somewhere else, got the job thanks to a clueless hiring manager, and have spent three months learning the product before getting canned (optimistically).

The last time I saw a boom in this behaviour was in 2007.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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post #7

This is exactly why the technical interview process is what it is. No point wasting time asking about backgrounds and describing past projects (all of it can be easily faked). Make them write code in front of you live as part of the screening round.

> who refuse to use their cameras during Zoom interviews and who often can't answer specific questions about their backgrounds.

Glad someone said this. Also most programmers and developers knows how tech works, they just don't want to be profiled by some AI algorithm. And why use Zoom, or any of close source, when you have jitsi to use for a video/voice chat?

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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Early 2010's, Wall St software tech vendor: I had a candidate show up for an interview, in person, go through the preliminaries and then sit down in a meeting room for the detailed questions.

As we got into it, the candidate often asked me to repeat the question. I was happy to do so, but after a few times, I was already taking care to speak slowly and clearly, and it was still happening a lot.

Then I noticed a quiet murmuring sound after I'd asked a question. It was like .. a TV on in the next room or something. I ignored it at first, assuming it was someone else in the next room, but then it seemed like it was only happening after I'd asked a question, and before the candidate answered.

I was now pretty suspicious, but confused: what was going on? The candidate was flubbing the interview anyway -- their understanding was pretty shallow and they didn't appear at all confident in the material, so I wrapped up the interview, and showed them out.

As we were walking to the door, I stood beside them for the first time. And that's when I saw the earpiece: the candidate had a hearing aid-like earpiece in, with a wire running into their collar.

I was basically too surprised to do anything, and by this point we were at the elevator, so I just let them leave.

The way I figured it, afterwards, was that they had someone on a radio who they thought would help them with the interview. But either the radio was noisy or they just needed more time for the answer, so asking me to repeat the question was for the benefit of their remote assistant. If they'd been better at it, even had I seen the earpiece, I'd have assumed it was just a hearing aid. Fortunately, even with the remote assistance, they didn't pass.

Never happened again, but I can tell you I casually check everyone I've interviewed since for earpieces.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could also be to get the job. People often feel entitled but believe they are disadvantaged by some factor outside their control and use that to justify cheating, believing they will be able to do the job once they get there. Another version of this is people who apply for a job and actually are just posers who can't code at all. In both cases the employer failed to weed them out, even if the first version is a mo…

But, the thing is, the companies are putting down very sophisticated hiring methods that are not relevant to the job itself at all (e.g. hiring someone that can write quicksort in 30 minutes). I presume, after passing the gatekeepers, most of the people can hold and do the job required from them at bare minimum. The fakers who can not code at all will be found, but someone with an average amount of talent should be a…

> companies are putting down very sophisticated hiring methods that are not relevant to the job itself

Well, I guess this is really just a version of what I'm saying, about being feeling entitled but thwarted by forces outside one's control

"I'm a good coder, why do the expect me to 'grind on leetcode' and know how to invert a binary tree"

I agree largely, but if that's what they want and you don't want to do it, don't apply. Justifying cheating because of your perception isn't right

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

#116

Someone I know hired an experienced programmer from Indian who interviewed well. When his first day started, he seemed extremely junior - needed basic things explained to him like command line usage. One of the people who interviewed him saw him on camera and told the EM he was pretty sure it was a different guy. The EM confronted him and he admitted it, so they let him go. Makes me wonder what % of the time this act…

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Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

#117

About 5 years ago at a previous company we had someone who interviewed well, and then the person who showed up was totally not the same quality person we had talked to previously. I guess the placement strategy at some low quality placement agencies is to just put someone good on the interview and hope the hiring company doesn't notice. I haven't seen it recently, but I am now in a position where we have good recruit…

I had this happen to me at a former large employer. I insisted on removing the agency from our list of approved agencies and was told that if we did that to every agency that did that sort of fraud then we’d have no agencies in our budget range.

The damage an individual can do by being overemployed or fraudulent pales in comparison to what some of those agencies do, and they can be fucking over the candidate and company at the same time since they are middlemen.

Tons of calls for technical tests of individuals to prevent fraud/bad hires. No one does a technical interview for talent agency recruiters to make sure their company can filter candidates well though.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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post #114

Early 2010's, Wall St software tech vendor: I had a candidate show up for an interview, in person, go through the preliminaries and then sit down in a meeting room for the detailed questions. As we got into it, the candidate often asked me to repeat the question. I was happy to do so, but after a few times, I was already taking care to speak slowly and clearly, and it was still happening a lot. Then I noticed a quiet…

Plenty of this in remote interviews, even if it's just people googling answers. I was slightly frustrated with one candidate and spelled the term I'd just used for him so he could search for it.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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post #108

I had an unsolicited email offer to pay $5k upfront cash to use my github profile to solicit and perform work, plus monthly percentage of their earnings. I presumed it was spam, but they had done significant research as they knew the projects I participated in, and so on.

I've not received blatant cash offers but people have contacted me through github and skype and asked to freelance through my name.
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