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Re: Ask HN: What exactly is a mindfulness meditation?

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Since you’re asking for personal experience - I’m just happier and a better person with mindfulness. I’ve been doing it for 20 years and it’s changed my life for the better. It seems you might think it’s woo-woo / hand-wavey, which isn’t uncommon in the west. It’s also not for everyone. my partner has severe anxiety and has never been able to successfully get into meditation. She’s found some success with Metta (lovi…

Waking Up is what came to mind for me as well when I read the OP. I also had the same questions as OP before I started. Even on HN, when meditation would come up, people would mention the spiritual/eastern roots (often to the tune of "ugh westerners suck they don't even get it") which was always a let down to me: if mindfulness is useful by itself, then surely it doesn't need to be encumbered with or require buy-in t…

I’m glad Waking Up was helpful to you too.

Definitely shouldn’t be an all or nothing. I’d much rather people get some benefit, and know there might be more by going deeper, than get turned off to it.

Re: Ask HN: What exactly is a mindfulness meditation?

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamrim

"the way to train your mind after developing the mind of enlightenment, by training the six perfections:

1. training in the perfection of generosity 2. training in the perfection of ethics 3. training in the perfection of patience 4. training in the perfection of joyful effort 5. training in the perfection of concentration 6. training in the perfection of wisdom"

Number 5 is meditation, or shamatha. Volume 4 of lamrim explains at length what meditation is and how it's achieved. It also repeatedly reminds the reader that this gigantic book is just a brief summary of the more foundational sources, such as sravakabhumi (the ten grades of sravakas). Problem is, neither book, that volume 4 in particular, has been translated to western languages. Still, it's a good starting point to do your own research.

Re: Ask HN: What exactly is a mindfulness meditation?

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Meditation is being fully aware of what's happening now. Washing dishes can be a meditation. Talking a walk. Focusing on the breath. Repeating a mantra. Lifting weights. It doesn't matter what the technique is, the important part is that you are aware of what happening now and being present in that moment, from moment to moment. For many people, focusing on the breath is an easy way to notice when the mind wanders, s…

> Meditation is being fully aware of what's happening now. Is scrolling TikTok meditation then?

You could practice TikTok mindfulness.

Pay attention to the feelings and sensations in your body as you watch. What emotions arise? What thoughts arise? How do you feel before you start, and how do you feel afterwards?

What do you observe when you notice the instinct to scroll away from one video to the next? Can you feel the impulse before you take action? What does it feel like?

What changes do you observe from watching each video? Does each video have a similar effect on you, or do you notice differences?

What is happening to your mind, heart and body in each moment, as you pay attention with nonjudgmental curiosity and compassion?

Re: Ask HN: What exactly is a mindfulness meditation?

#114
A lot of it is scammy. Not all of it but alot. There are legitimate religious meditative practices that can be called "mindfulness meditation".

The gist of it is it's a type of meditation where you sit quietly, listen to your own thoughts and being to realise that thoughts are just thoughts, they come and go, etc... It's about being mindful of your own psyche as opposed to being distracted by outside factors. Lots of people react to stimuli and blame their mood, thoughts or actions on those stimuli, mindfulness is about being more aware of these things and being able to live life on your own terms instead of merely being swayed by outside influences. Plus other things.

Anyhow, monastics will devote their entire lives to meditation, it goes deep, but that's an attempt at an explanation.

Re: Ask HN: What exactly is a mindfulness meditation?

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The key is to ask, "Who is it that is having this experience?"

All worlds, real and imaginary, all meditations of any technique, all are distraction.

Who is it that is having this experience?

From this POV mediation is the practice of discerning illusion from being. E.g.:

"I have a body but I am not my body."

"I have emotions but I am not my emotions."

"I have mind but I am not my mind."

"I have will but I am not my will."

As you discern and give up attachment to subtler and subtler aspects of what had seemed to be "you" something great happens.

The key is to ask, "Who is it that is having this experience?"

Re: Ask HN: What exactly is a mindfulness meditation?

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>Other gurus teach that meditation is “doing nothing”. Okay, but then again there’s nothing special about it, we all do it from time to time.

Eastern spirituality sees "nothing" or nothingness as a spiritual place to relax in and be.

Western religions see "nothing" as something that can't exist. That nothing is impossible for Christ.

One function of prayer and meditation is to organize your thoughts and let go of thoughts and aims that are not helpful, sometimes called Sin. You can let them go into nothingness (eastern), into the altar of fire (catholicism) or let them flow away (anglican/methodist). You can also use prayer to aim and think about things that are good for you and you do want.

If you want real detail, John Vervaeke's Awakening from the Meaning Crisis series [0] does the history of spirituality as a psycho-technology, cog-sci breakdown.

It is very good and leads into discussions with him and Curt Jaimungal [1] on the Theories of Everything channel, which has a slightly more Eastern and hyper-intellectual physics blend to it.

[0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54l8_ewcOlY&list=PLND1JCRq8V...

[1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p8o3-7mvQc

The practice of prayer and meditation has been degraded by practicing psychologists and pop culture. Stay away from that stuff, it eats into the prayer life and meditation from the inside or bottom-up.

Re: Ask HN: What exactly is a mindfulness meditation?

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It's tricky business to talk about it because language is a weak abstraction on top of experience. And that is why you get so many seemingly contradictory and often vague explanations.

I will try to touch on one aspect of my experience with formal meditation practice, which is as a way of reconditioning the mind. It has helped me become more aware of how I am in relation to what I experience, more open to experience generally, less reactive to emotional stimuli, less judgmental of my inner narrator and therefore more gentle with the way I talk to myself.

The formal process is as you describe, bringing your attention to a focal point (often the sensation of the breath wherever it is felt most strongly in the body), noticing when you are distracted, and simply bringing it back. The quality of mind you bring to this practice is important. For example, not judging yourself for becoming distracted, and not judging yourself for the content of your thoughts.

With regular practice, this kind of gentle nonjudging way of experiencing will spill into daily life, outside of formal practice. And that is where meditation becomes a way of being (or perhaps as you put it, our whole life is a series of meditations). But formal practice serves as the foundation, conditioning our minds which are typically very judgmental and reactive to be less judgmental and therefore to be more open and see more clearly.

Re: Ask HN: What exactly is a mindfulness meditation?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can measure how many times you get distracted, and how far do you get dragged. This is very easy to do during meditation.

Yes, but who decides the standard here? I am distracted 5 times a minute. Is it good enough or should I continue practicing? And in the end - why is this a bad thing, to be distracted? If it’s in our nature in the first place? I’m not being sarcastic - I truly want to know the deep answers from someone knowledgeable, but didn’t find any answers yet.

It's not a bad thing, it's just not as good of a thing. You want the benefits of meditating? Meditate. You don't want them? Than don't.

The bar is where you set it for yourself. And that's part of the point - complete internal reflection, rather than awaiting someone else's instructions and/or approval.

Re: Ask HN: What exactly is a mindfulness meditation?

#119

How is it a scam when monks teach it free in my country? from my understanding, you are learning almost the wrong ways or you don't really understand even basically. That is why you can't achieve things: (English is not my native language) > But then isn’t our whole life a sequence of meditations? Because we always focus on something (with sleep breaks). => Mediation means we rid of thoughts, cause we always thought…

> And It is hard to mediation when you don't know basically about Buddhism - This is my guess from what did you write.

Why? There's nothing inherently Buddhist about meditation; there's no reason to bring religion into this. Buddhism is a tradition that has been practicing meditation for a long time, but their practice is shrouded in their mysticism, so it's difficult to know what's real and what isn't.

This is coming from someone who once thought like you, by the way. Although I am an atheist, I read a lot about Buddhism and meditation, even medidated with a monk. The religious aspects are a complete waste of time, so you're better off learning from a secular source.

Re: Ask HN: What exactly is a mindfulness meditation?

#120

Meditation is being fully aware of what's happening now. Washing dishes can be a meditation. Talking a walk. Focusing on the breath. Repeating a mantra. Lifting weights. It doesn't matter what the technique is, the important part is that you are aware of what happening now and being present in that moment, from moment to moment. For many people, focusing on the breath is an easy way to notice when the mind wanders, s…

In that regard, I find when I work on soldering PCB circuit boards for projects, it's a kind of meditation. Placing teeny tiny components exactly where they need to be and then hot air soldering them in place takes a lot of "being in the moment". It's really calming for me :)
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