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Re: Ask HN: Do you manage your family's digital safety?

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Post by recursive »

tristor wrote: post #79

No. I don't feel like this is respectful of autonomy, so I don't engage in it. If someone asks for help or asks questions, I will give them truthful answers at a level they can understand. The only rules I enforce are for devices on my own network, which I filter and control extensively but only at a network level. I don't control any of the devices on the network except those which are purchased by me for my own pur…

Minor children are actually not legally autonomous. Usually practically either. They rely on their parents for safety. This seems like a weird place to apply personal freedoms.

"Before crossing the street, look both ways. Or don't. But you might have to get a job to pay off your hospital debts. I'm respecting your autonomy."

Re: Ask HN: Do you manage your family's digital safety?

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Post by betwixthewires »

TruthIsHeresy wrote: post #92
nonesuch49 wrote: post #82

We recently threw out everything we thought about surveillance, privacy, liberty, and learning through experience when it comes to our kids' access to the Internet. They now have no phone. The computer has a whitelist of sites it can visit and a few ports open for some games. It only gets used with the door open. I disable the Internet completely between the hours of 10pm and 6am. I am looking into even more big brot…

This is insanity. You cannot protect children forever. What will you do if your kids go to a friend’s house and have access to devices which are not heavily restricted? What if a friend comes over with their own similar device? As a child of parents who did similar things as you are doing, I can say confidently that it did not protect me, it created a resentment towards my parents, and it increased my motivation to b…

I believe this person to be trolling (I know, good faith and all that, but my spidy sense is tingling) but on this topic, I don't know how old you are but when I was a kid I didn't have 24/7 access to mutilation scat orgies on demand wherever I am. Last time I went to a porn site I didn't get asked my age, and several videos on the front page were filmed under the guise of siblings having sex.

I remember being in IRC chatrooms and having predators galore trying to get me to hang out with them. From my understanding, the problem hasn't gotten any better.

A parent would be smart to limit some internet access to their children. We ID at bars and brothels (where legal), the way I see it, the day my son is willing to learn to jump through hoops to access pornography is the day he is ready to watch pornography. I'm not all too concerned about them working around these things, but I'm concerned about easy unrestricted access.

Re: Ask HN: Do you manage your family's digital safety?

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Post by betwixthewires »

stonewareslord wrote: post #91
nonesuch49 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought so too. I hoped I'd never have to be this way. It's not just stolen money from a bank account or a hacked Instagram. It could be life or death.

> It could be life or death. What does this mean? Isn't it better to teach them how to be safe so when they grow up they will be safe? Instead of teaching them nothing but to not trust you? Once your monitoring no longer exists on their devices, what do you think they'd do?

So say you have a 13 year old daughter. She's naive, horny as all hell, on discord surrounded by a bunch of boys and probably plenty of grown men asking her to send nudes, which is the same as asking her to produce child pornography for their enjoyment. And she will, absolutely, 100% send nudes before she turns 18, to somebody.

Now imagine she is asked to meet up.

Sure, teach them. Explain your rules. Make things clear. But there are real people on the internet. Nice people and dangerous people. Just like the real world. You don't let them run around going to brothels and bars before they're adults, the same applies to the internet. Once they're adults the monitoring stops, of course, just like the real world.

Re: Ask HN: Do you manage your family's digital safety?

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Post by mvkel »

warent wrote: post #41
rsync wrote: post #37

The number one thing that we do is use an assumed name and address (and phone number) for all online interactions. If it's not a government agency, it doesn't get any real info. So, for instance, Amazon has a made-up name and our PO BOX and our "junk" number from Twilio. As I have mentioned here many, many times: This is possible because VISA/MC do not verify cardholder name. They make it seem like they do and mercha…

Maybe you're a very high profile individual that this matters beyond paranoia? I've always used my name for signups, and I have a very unique name, probably the only one on the whole planet. It has affected my life in no meaningful / noticeably negative way.

Can you guarantee that will be the case at any point in the future?

Re: Ask HN: Do you manage your family's digital safety?

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Post by grvdrm »

lowwave wrote: post #77
grvdrm wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just curious - do you have Lyft pick you up or drop you off at your house/apt or do you avoid that as well? I think of that action as different from payment information verification.

don't use Lyft or Uber. Why would I want a company to keep track where I'm going linked to my credit card. It is creepy.

Yes, sure. But he mentioned Lyft so I asked.

Re: Ask HN: Do you manage your family's digital safety?

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Post by zrail »

epc wrote: post #109
zrail wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you find using GSuite (etc) for family accounts? I've been considering it for a bit but I'd love to hear about your experience.

It’s a ridiculous pain in the ass made tolerable because we’re both tech industry dinosaurs. Initially it was the only way to get TOTP 2FA on a Gmail account which is why I switched and because of the way Google does Google things my spouse has a completely separate account (she was a Googler at the time though has now successfully escaped). For my MIL we set up G Suite because it was the easiest way to lock down her…

Thanks!

Re: Ask HN: Do you manage your family's digital safety?

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Post by inetknght »

ceejayoz wrote: post #76
inetknght wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whose name the warranty is in and who pays for the warranty should not be required to be identical.

There are plenty of non-transferable warranties out there.

That's not the point. The point is that one person should absolutely 100% be capable of paying for a warranty for a third party. That's not transferring a warranty; that's guaranteeing payment.

Re: Ask HN: Do you manage your family's digital safety?

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Post by Darmody »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #107
Darmody wrote: post #105

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> No microsoft accounts. Good look with that from now on.

"good luck" you mean? I'm asking because I do exactly the same: no admin accounts for my family on their own Windows machine (mother in law and wife etc.). They're also using only local account. Is Microsoft banning local accounts?

Yes, they're removing local accounts. At least in Windows Home.

A Microsoft account and an internet connection will be required to use Windows.

Re: Ask HN: Do you manage your family's digital safety?

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Post by digitallyfree »

kcb wrote: post #39
digitallyfree wrote: post #24

Here we go... All secure tasks like handling of IDs, banking, trading, etc. must be done through managed Linux workstations (Landscape with master image), or managed VDI. Keepass is used to store credentials. There is a network storage accessible only to those workstations containing important documents. A second storage area is avaliable for unmanaged and Windows devices. Windows devices have Group Policy set for up…

Daddy Daddy my friend wants to connect her Ipad to the internet, what's the wifi password? Not fooling me hackerrr

It's funny explaining to non-techies why I don't have a Wifi password, since they immediately think I'm crazy for leaving it open. Then I have to explain certificates...

Re: Ask HN: Do you manage your family's digital safety?

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Post by tharkun__ »

ceejayoz wrote: post #104
JackGreyhat wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are assuming that a person who is cautious about privacy, uses facebook. Unlikely. However, I have been in that alley. I renamed my facebook account yearly, until it got blocked indeed. But then again, there are some great ID .psd templates out there:P solved it immediately.

I cite Facebook as a specific example I'm aware of. There's no reason Amazon or Apple (which the parent poster indicates they use) couldn't request similar docs with the threat of an account revocation.

And how and why exactly would rsync care about that?

Amazon account gets blocked? He gets a new one. If they block him because they check the PO box against blocked accounts, he gets a new PO box too. Sure it's a hassle because he probably uses it for other stuff too. But nothing really preventing him from doing the fake name+PO box thing for a small likelihood of this ever happening and he'd probably gladly just get a new on if it ever did and there was no other way to convince them.

Same with Apple. Apple id gets blocked? Get a new one. I somehow doubt he's bought (err, sorry, rented) thousands of dollars worth of digital content on either platform that would discourage this. Streaming is fine as you can stream the same stuff again on the new account.

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