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Re: Ask HN: Are blog comments a thing of the past?

#111
I run a tech/business blog (thetechee.com) and the amount of spam I get is nauseating. I thought it'll reduce when I switched from Blogger to WordPress, but it became much worse.

A recent shocker was someone (or a spambot) posting links to supposed child porn on my site. Don't worry, I didn't bother to click it...

I haven't yet shut down my comment section, but I set it such that I must approve all new comments. Needless to say, I have a backlog of 600+ comments to approve, and 99% of them are spam so I just don't bother

Re: Ask HN: Are blog comments a thing of the past?

#112
post #27

The problem isn't having comments on your blog, it's having locally scoped identities to comment on your blog. It essentially removes all cost for "destructive" participation, whether it be spam, harassment or other trolling. This is solved either by moving commenting entirely off-site to a larger network, or by using identities from a larger scope.

How about an OAuth system where you can add conditions like, the user has validated an address in a certain town, or worked for a certain company? What part of the identity would you scope by?

OpenID, the original OpenID was built for bloggers: your blog address was your login. It mostly only ever verified that you were also (likely) a blogger and what that address was. It built a unique web of commenters who were also bloggers. It was something of a shining golden age of blog commenting when OpenID was just about everywhere.

OAuth and (shudder) "OpenID Connect" moved on to be nothing like that original OpenID and its vision. I think the death of the original OpenID is tied in part to the death of comment areas on blogs. It wasn't the only reason, but it was a factor in tide of them.

Re: Ask HN: Are blog comments a thing of the past?

#113
post #38
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're talking about Webmentions.[0] [0]: https://indieweb.org/Webmention

I think Webmentions could be the solution to the problem: They allow anyone to comment on and add to your writings without requiring to open an account on each and every blog and they endorse elaborate, "readworthy" responses. Alas, they're used seldom.

Unfortunately, Webmentions are also still a spam vector that needs moderation.

I don't think Webmentions yet are common enough to get much spam, but some of us still remember spam wars in Webmentions predecessors like Pingback.

Re: Ask HN: Are blog comments a thing of the past?

#114
post #17

Running any public forum mostly means moderation. Trawling through hundreds of spam comments that got through the filters, to find the occasional jewel, ceased to motivate me. Should we be sad that discussion about a piece doesn't occur centrally, or is it actually better that several discussions occur - each of them with their hosting venue's specific tone ? As someone else mentioned, webmentions might bring the bes…

Do you know if webmentions do anything against spam or if they just defer that problem until the technology gets popular enough for spammers to catch on?

Yes, it's called Vouch and it's documented well on the indieweb wiki. https://indieweb.org/Vouch

Re: Ask HN: Are blog comments a thing of the past?

#115
post #46

I have been blogging for about 14 years - 7 of these on a blog dedicated for software engineering topics. I removed all commenting options after about 8 years of blogging. The reason was spam, noise and little value add. Around 2015 70% of comments coming in to my blog were from bots and another 10% from anonymous folks making irrelevant, and sometimes insulting comments which I all had to delete. About 20% of the co…

Maybe that's an idea for a product: find discussions on HN, Twitter, Reddit, FB etc about your blog post and embed them on the blog where you would usually see the comments. Not sure how big the market is, but...

Comment sibling of yours by turoczy suggests that already exists?

> I tried a few of those "commenting" solutions that attempted to pull the social channels into the blog itself, but they never seemed to recreate that 2005-2010 dynamic of active and engaging conversations occurring on a single post.

Re: Ask HN: Are blog comments a thing of the past?

#116
post #37

The following is my personal experience (so I can't comment on the general nature of blog comments). I have a "strictly technical" SWE blog with approximately 4k to 8k users per month, which I have been maintaining it for 3/4 years. I use Disqus for comments. I virtually have no spam (if I had some, it's been so little that I don't remember it). The comments are generally good quality (some even improved the articles…

If you don't mind sharing, how did you obtain that many users in such a short period?

Sure! I've actually though that it was a relatively small number :) I've reached 8k users around 1/1.5 years ago, so the times are even shorter.

I did not plan for exposure (audience size); however, looking at the stats, I think that there is a clear indication.

My articles are often more or less deep dives into mainstream topics; I believe that the consequences of this approach are two:

1. the articles get exposure because the topics are common, and frequently searched by developers;

2. by being deep dives, I think they slowsly get used as references and linked by other sites.

I think this is a specific approach with pros and cons.

The pros are that it slowly grows a good audience over the time, and that it tends to have a stable minimum (since the references are there). Also, repeated deep dives in a given field will get attention from known people working in it, which is very significant.

The downside is that this type of articles is a pain to write (and I'm not sure I'll continue).

I had at least one article that exploded in popularity, however, while that's nice to see, it's a type of article that doesn't provide any value in the long term (on the other hand, short term is also important; I got interviewed because of it).

I think the numbers are generally normal to reach if one focuses on at least one subject, and dives in it. My blog is intentionally very scattered - if I focused, say, on databases, I would have certainly multiplied the users, but that's not my end goal.

All the best! :) The blog is https://saveriomiroddi.github.io, by the way :)

Re: Ask HN: Are blog comments a thing of the past?

#117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about an OAuth system where you can add conditions like, the user has validated an address in a certain town, or worked for a certain company? What part of the identity would you scope by?

OpenID, the original OpenID was built for bloggers: your blog address was your login. It mostly only ever verified that you were also (likely) a blogger and what that address was. It built a unique web of commenters who were also bloggers. It was something of a shining golden age of blog commenting when OpenID was just about everywhere. OAuth and (shudder) "OpenID Connect" moved on to be nothing like that original Op…

That's really interesting. Finding the details of this was a bit hard, but I found this article (2007): https://blogger.googleblog.com/2007/12/openid-commenting.htm... Thanks for the bit of history

Re: Ask HN: Are blog comments a thing of the past?

#118
I see a lot of comments here about post spam.

There seems to be a relatively simple solution - require a proof-of-work puzzle to be solved before the server will accept your comment submission. Then put the comment into a review queue anyway.

Valid users submit comments very infrequently compared to an automated bot. They won't be inconvenienced if you set the difficulty right, and their environmental impact and electricity costs will be negligible.

Bots will be attempting to submit spam comments en-masse, and so will need to be spending a large amount of money on electricity for solving these problems. The expected value per problem they solve will be extremely low, and so they'll actually be losing money due to electricity costs - and as for environmental impact, they could have been burning that CPU to mine bitcoin or something anyway (and, after they notice the servers they run their bots on start getting pegged on CPU, they'll quickly add your site to a blacklist).

This solution also has the benefit of not feeding Google's ML efforts like Recaptcha would, or requiring you to set up Cloudflare, or inconvenience your users.

What are the downsides?

Re: Ask HN: Are blog comments a thing of the past?

#119
post #25

Blogs themselves seem to be on the way out. I hate that this is the case, but it's true. The first problem is the asymmetry between downside (substantial) and upside (very little). We don't live in the world we had in 2004. Authoritarian governments and employers (which are basically authoritarian private governments) will find what you say and it will only be used against you. Text's strength and downfall is that it…

This comment is irrelevant - nothing about "blogs" or "blog comments" requires (or excludes) anonymity.

Re: Ask HN: Are blog comments a thing of the past?

#120
I haven't seen anyone link it yet, so I will. Scott Alexander talks about why people shut down comment sections, as part of explaining why the CW (read: politics) thread on his subreddit got shut down:

> The fact is, it’s very easy to moderate comment sections. It’s very easy to remove spam, bots, racial slurs, low-effort trolls, and abuse. I do it single-handedly on this blog’s 2000+ weekly comments. r/slatestarcodex’s volunteer team of six moderators did it every day on the CW Thread, and you can scroll through week after week of multiple-thousand-post culture war thread and see how thorough a job they did.

> But once you remove all those things, you’re left with people honestly and civilly arguing for their opinions. And that’s the scariest thing of all.

https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/02/22/rip-culture-war-thread...

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