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Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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If you use Home Assistant and want something that is easy to setup, there is Home Intent: https://homeintent.io

It uses Rhasspy under the covers, and automatically imports lights, switches, fans, etc and sets up sentences and intents for you. After initial setup, it can be used without an active internet connection.

All you need is some container knowledge, an extra Pi, and a good speakerphone (like a Jabra Speak 410) to get going.

Disclosure: I am the main author of Home Intent.

Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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Because all of the high end TVs contain alexa/google home integrations.

Or even just their own search-by-voice functionality, which is useful to many people, especially those with disabilities.

That's a fair point. Samsung and LG both have their own smart integrations too in the form of iQ and Bixby.

Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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If you use Home Assistant and want something that is easy to setup, there is Home Intent: https://homeintent.io It uses Rhasspy under the covers, and automatically imports lights, switches, fans, etc and sets up sentences and intents for you. After initial setup, it can be used without an active internet connection. All you need is some container knowledge, an extra Pi, and a good speakerphone (like a Jabra Speak 410…

Wow, this looks really promising! Thanks for doing this.

My family back home is hooked on Google Home but sister agreed to switch off for the kids - but her requirement is to be able to control Spotify via voice.

Given I set aside enough of my time to help them out and figure out appropriate hardware, do you think it's worth a shot with HI?

Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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It was truly a bizarre experience. First we noticed a random intermittent ringing noise in the house and couldn’t figure out what it was. We tracked it down to the Alexa but since there are no logs or notifications we didn’t know what had just happened. It seems the person hung up when they heard us looking around so we never saw any visible indication that anything was happening. Once we figured it out, we then had…

Honestly, I find it amazing that so many people let these things into their homes. The price you pay for such little actual utility isn't worth it. I won't use voice recognition on a single device. Not only do I not trust Google/Amazon, I don't trust that I wouldn't accidentally say something that triggers it to phone a person I'm talking about, or order something expensive in the internet. Home Assistant on my phone…

> The price you pay for such little actual utility isn't worth it.

It is for us. The use case that sold us is my partner cooks a lot and often needs to add reminders or update a shopping list, which is difficult with both hands dripping with raw chicken juice or dough or whatever. They were for sale a while ago for $30 a device and they are decent speakers to boot, better even than a $1k phone.

Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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That deserves its own post. This reminds me of when Samsung sent the press release that people shouldn’t discuss personal things near their television, because an unpatchable product of their allowed anyone who knew how to tap into the tv mics…

> This reminds me of when Samsung sent the press release that people shouldn’t discuss personal things near their television, because an unpatchable product of their allowed anyone who knew how to tap into the tv mics… Do you have a link for that one?

I imagine they mean this. https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/samsungs-war...

Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

#116
The only viable option that I found that could reliably infer commands from speech is https://github.com/Picovoice/rhino

Unfortunately it is not open source (the GitHub just has binary blobs) and requires an account to log in to generate and download model files, but the accuracy is great and you can use it to send commands to Home Assistant to turn lights on/off etc.

Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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Maybe this is an obvious answer, and therefore not one you're interested in, but there's Siri. Although audio is sent to the cloud, you can choose whether it is stored or not, and whatever you pick, Apple's privacy policy is very strict. HomePods are mostly advertised as music playback devices, but I mostly use mine as a HomeKit control device. Homebridge allows you to control non-HomeKit devices via Siri: https://ho…

+1. I have Siri, Alexa, and Google home devices in my house, and Siri is the best in terms of competence and privacy. Alexa feels like being bugged by a creepo who keeps trying to sell me stuff. (We got rid of the Alexa.)

??

I have Alexa through Sonos for years. It has never tried to sell me anything? What’s the context of these upsells?

Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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Honestly, I find it amazing that so many people let these things into their homes. The price you pay for such little actual utility isn't worth it. I won't use voice recognition on a single device. Not only do I not trust Google/Amazon, I don't trust that I wouldn't accidentally say something that triggers it to phone a person I'm talking about, or order something expensive in the internet. Home Assistant on my phone…

> I don't trust that I wouldn't accidentally say something that triggers it to phone a person I'm talking about Someone set their name on Xbox live to something like "XBox turn off" then got people to read his name, which would turn off their console. It's a harmless example, but it shows that people and devices are susceptible to this kind of attack.

Just like in the '90s we (silly script kiddies) put press "Alt-F4 to continue" on our websites.

Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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post #53

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You're right, it was: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jul/26/apple-con...

This was changed as far as I know. Do you have evidence otherwise?

Claiming that whatever has not been proven false must be true is the exact opposite of how it works.

We have evidence and even admittance of abuse / improper handling in the past, but I'm unable to find any evidence that things have changed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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I've heard of Mycroft before but have no personal experience with it: https://mycroft.ai It seems like they have an open source client that you can run on your own hardware but it's still dependent on the backend services that Mycroft-the-company provides. Perhaps their privacy stance is more palatable to you, though? I think there used to be a project that was fully on-device but it got bought and consumed by Sonos

I have a mycroft mark1. It is based on the rasberry pi, and as they are wont to do the SD gave out (or got corrupted in a power outage?) and I haven't tried to fix it after a couple years. It works, but it is tricky to get it to wake up, you have to be close to it and speak up, no using it across the room. It is a neat trick, but I never found a use for it that was worth making it work.

I backed the mark2 on kickstarter which they have been promising is better and will ship anytime now - for a few years...

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