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Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#111
We learned in March of this year that my wife has cancer. Chemo started, there were complications, surgery was performed and the tumor was excised. After the recovery from surgery chemo resumed and as of today there is one round left. Then comes radiation and more surgeries. I work from home, as many of us these days, and have continued working throughout, taking individual days of medical leave as needed.

I have to admit it's been difficult to focus on work. Much of the time I can't concentrate well and I'm not nearly as productive as I was. I would have taken more time off if we had single payer health care in the US. I did tell a few people at work so they would understand when I seem distracted or end up taking more frequent breaks throughout the day. My wife is putting in a lot of effort to stay as healthy as possible through this. She walks a mile or two every day. Sometimes a neighbor will walk with her, but often they aren't available and I do. I think what I'm trying to say is talk with a supervisor, or someone at work who notices what you do. Let them know how this is affecting you and that you will not be able to give 100% for the next little while. Best case they'll say do the best you can, and give you some slack. Worst case you end up looking for a better job. It's a good market to be looking.

Also, I think it's important to talk with someone about how you feel. There may be a social services department associated with the oncology department of your local hospital. I am currently attending a caregivers support group run by a social worker from the hospital. It's very helpful to be able to talk about my own emotions to someone who knows how to listen and with whom I feel free to express myself. If you can't do that the whole experience ends up much harder because you're trying to support someone else emotionally, while also shoving down your own upsets. I've been surprised at the support services there are for cancer patients and families. We even found a house cleaning service offering discounts to cancer patients.

It's a very difficult thing to endure. And chemo only gets worse as it goes. Line up some support now so you don't end up burned out or depressed as it drags on.

Edit: I just noticed I was assuming you live in the US, as I do. If you don't, and health care rules in your country are more rational and compassionate, some of this may not apply.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#112
My experience got worse before anything got better, but depending on where you're at, it might be helpful to you so I'll share it anyway.

My dad was diagnosed with stage four prostate cancer shortly after I got out of the military. I was already dealing with a litany of issues related to post-separation and military service. My first piece of advice is to decide what level of proximity you can maintain with your mother without letting it affect you. I saw myself in my dad, especially in his lowest days. Make no mistake, my dad has (spoiler alert: and continues to) fight cancer valiantly, but in those early days there was a lot of regret that he even chose to live. On the other hand, my dad being able to confide things in me was immeasurably good for him, and something that therapy and a stranger would likely never accomplish. These days I call him once a week and we talk about things he's up to, I listen to his day, and help him make decisions. I try to encourage him to get out, share his story, and make friends -- his life seems to improve as his circle expands. When I was caring for him day to day it took its toll, but there also weren't many other options. In life you sometimes have to walk with someone through the shadows of their valleys, helping them build the tools to hike out of the valley.

When you determine your safe distance, it's easier to plan things like learning back into your life. My dad loved hearing about what I learned and loved being shown what I was up to. Doing this kind of stuff inadvertently helped pull me out of my own drinking spell. Watching me grow as a man, and heal in my own way seemed to help him all the more. At the very least, it took his mind off of the idea that he was stringing his life along a little at a time with various treatments.

In times of stress it's often easy to fall into routines. For some people those routines are working (and overworking) or drinking (and over-drinking). I managed to accomplish both at the same time. I only managed to undo these routines by keeping a journal and reading my thoughts a day later. It helped me reflect and deal with my feelings in a detached way. I wrote several times that I knew what I was watching: my dad was dying and I had a choice to make in how to deal with that. I didn't know what choice I would make, or even if I would be cognizant of making said choice. How you deal with that reality is entirely up to you, and there is no wrong decision except self-destructing. The important piece that I would leave you with is have a way to audit your thoughts, because inevitably that is what helped me the most.

The last thing I'll say is a continuation of my last point. Eventually I realized that my dad will die, and some day all I will have is voicemails and letters or things he's left me. My memories of him will continue on, though. The good ones, the bad ones, and everything in between. When I go home I try to make good memories with him. When I was a kid we bonded by playing video games. He can't play them as good as he did back then, but I'll bring an extra controller and we'll play together. These memories are the ones I hope to have with me after he's gone, but in the moment I always aim to be present.

I don't know if any of this helps but these are the tools I used to build a career and (try) to stay sane during that time. Things do get easier with time of course.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#113
My wife's mother just died of cancer after being in remission for many years. Her suffering over the last 9 months of her life was sometimes extreme, and the impact of her death on all of us has been profound. I never suspected I would grieve for her the way I am doing now, and it has often been completely overwhelming.

My best advice is to know that it is not easy, and you will be distracted by your fears and anxieties and worries, and it's okay, because that's the way it works. Seek any support you can find: there are groups devoted to all manner of helping people cope with disease and grief, etc. Seek a counselor who specializes in this sort of thing, seek comfort from friends and family, be honest about what is happening in your life: tell your co-workers and bosses and everyone else. Don't keep it to yourself, don't be afraid to walk through this darker time in your life with your soul more bared to the world than might be your usual habit.

I hope your mother recovers, and I hope you are able to be with her often and help her understand how much you love her. It is a terrible thing to love and be afraid as you love, but you can get through it one day, one moment, at a time.

But always remember to find people who can help you cope and understand how normal it all is to feel the way you do, whether it's professionals you find through medical contacts/referrals, friends or family, etc. Don't try to do this alone.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#114
I lost my mother to breast cancer when I was 14, and although it wasn't cancerous, my youngest child was diagnosed with a heart tumor at 19 months (she had a successful resection and is thriving with no symptoms). Two dramatically different family health dramas where I was in vastly different positions to help, and states of mind.

For a kid dealing with loss (or potential loss) of a parent, having a strong support group and a few trusted confidants and/or therapists to talk with is absolutely critical. I didn't really have that, and a lot of unpleasantness in the ensuing years likely might have been avoidable if I had.

As a parent dealing with life threatening medical situation with my child, it was different. With both, though, several things are true:

1. Your social support group is important. Don't feel bad about asking for help, and leaning on helpers who offer their assistance (whatever form that may take).

2. Work is work, but a good employer will offer EAP services, reduced hours opportunities, perhaps internal counseling, and unpaid medical leave if you need it. Don't be afraid to talk to your management about your situation if you think it will affect your work, but do your due diligence first and offer them solutions, not problems.

3. If you aren't a medical professional, or you don't have significant relevant experience dealing with complex, long term engagements with hospitals & specialists, I strongly recommend you find someone who does. Recruit that person to be your advocate (at best), and to at least let you bounce information off of them as a sanity check.

The people who have the best outcomes are the people who ask the right questions, demand the best care, expect the best from themselves [are are in a strong socioeconomic position to be able to afford to let other things slide while dealing with the treatment & recovery].

Rule #1 about complex medical care: never accept prognoses and recommendations without understanding the care professional's POV and having done your own research, AND preferably having solicited at least one additional opinion. Pubmed is your friend -- do your own research. Poll your network, find community groups online (I really don't like recommending Facebook, but there are facebook groups for literally every conceivable medical condition & situation -- they're filled with great folks who have already done their research!), and get formal second opinions. Also, know your rights as a patient.

I can't help with the "how do I care for aging parents" part. My dad is thankfully still in good health and my inlaws (who are not) are 3000mi away and primarily looked after by my brother-in-law. They're fiercely independent but make consistently bad decisions about their health. It's frustrating.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#115

From my experience with cancer in my family, I think the number one thing I would recommend is that you should remember to keep treating your mother as the normal person she is, and not as a cancer patient. A lot of her life is going to be cancer this, cancer that, these drugs and those drugs, doctors A, B, C, and D, and always an another upcoming appointment on the calendar. It's tiring for her and it's hard to main…

There is a chinese movie about how in China people often don't tell cancer patients that they have cancer until it is well too late in order to let them live with as much normality as possible for as long as possible. The operation involves a doctor having a private conversation with a relative, and being complicit in the pretense

This was common in the West, too, as late as in the 90s.

I don't like it, though. I want to be able to prepare for my death.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#116
If she can't eat, keep her hydrated.

A relative of mine survived colon cancer when they were not expected to and was gaining weight during a time when most cancer patients are losing weight. If he couldn't eat lunch, he got a homemade milkshake with milk, ice cream and fresh fruit. If he was too sick for that, ice, frozen juice and frozen fruit got blended together.

Some days, such meal substitutes accounted for both lunch and dinner.

Good wishes. Sorry you and yours are going through this.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#117
Hi, sorry you're going through this, but you've got lots of company. My mom was diagnosed with lymphoma (cancer in lymph system), and lived 10 years with it, 9 1/2 of which were good ones.

First off, obviously, nothing makes it "ok". It is tough.

Secondly, focus on if you are doing the thing that needs doing now, and if you find your thoughts on "what do I do to fix things?" or "what if...?", gently move your thoughts back to "what is the thing that needs doing now?" Expect to have to keep doing this, and don't be impatient with yourself. Just know that your thoughts will tend to wander into questions that are not answerable, so you will need to repeatedly shift them back to doing whatever needs doing at that moment, knowing at the same time that your thoughts will wander again.

Remember to tell your mom that you love her, of course.

Also allow her to talk about whatever she wants to talk about. Sometimes she may want to talk about you, not about her cancer, just so that she can think about something else.

If mom is living with your dad, he may need to have someone to talk to when your mom is not around, so be available to him to vent/rant/process his emotions as well. In this case, you mostly just need to listen without trying to fix things or have an answer, necessarily.

If you find your emotions getting the best of you, try to calm yourself of course, but also don't get too upset at yourself either. It's normal.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#118
I went through this with my sister 10 years ago. One thing that stands out: work. My employer was great, very supportive, no pressure at all. By contrast, my other siblings were constantly stressed out. They kept trying to squeeze in work at the hospital, saying stuff like, "My boss knows I'm at the hospital with my stage-4 sister, but he keeps calling me. He's gonna fire me if I don't get back in the office." This is when I fully realized the value of company culture - actually caring about staff, or at the very least, not treating staff like shit.

I'm still at the same company, and I have never even considered quitting (no serious consideration, that is), mostly because of this experience. It meant that much to me.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#119

My wife's mother just died of cancer after being in remission for many years. Her suffering over the last 9 months of her life was sometimes extreme, and the impact of her death on all of us has been profound. I never suspected I would grieve for her the way I am doing now, and it has often been completely overwhelming. My best advice is to know that it is not easy, and you will be distracted by your fears and anxiet…

> Seek a counselor who specializes in this sort of thing, seek comfort from friends and family, be honest about what is happening in your life: tell your co-workers and bosses and everyone else. Don't keep it to yourself, don't be afraid to walk through this darker time in your life with your soul more bared to the world than might be your usual habit.

I somewhat disagree with this. Having a confidant is important, but less is more. Most people are not emotionally equipped to deal with your personal struggles, even if they mean well. Counselors are hit and miss.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#120

I have gone through this situation. In 2002 my mother passed away from cancer. It was by far the hardest and lowest point in my life. I won't go on about all the difficulties because they're too painful and personal to me, and your mother may not be terminal, but mine was so I'll speak from that experience. Here's what I wish I would have done more of: 1. Spend as much time as possible. Lay by her, watch TV, eat toge…

#4 --> compassion It still strikes me when I hear the etymology of compassion, - com : with - passion : suffer basically to suffer alongside with which is much more profound than any soft warm fuzzy mental state, suffering is a physical state. You suffered alongside your mother and that is truly noble.

Thank you. That’s kind of you to say.
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